ludwig-dude. brother HE HE If we ever meet each other i'm buying you a beer, you and i are more freakn alike than i care to admit, both of us are A++ personalities, and like you said about sound engineers, they hate me to,and i can rip a guitar player a new one also, but only when it's needed!!Cool1

Exactly Mike! I still have my WFL speed king that I got 30 years ago and it works like its new still! All the Atlas and Hercules hardware I have still holds up fine! Only plastic on those is the cymbal tilter sleeves I added...:D

Also the 68 supraphonic I got from my dad that he bought new has ZERO pitting on it and it was gigged with every weekend for nearly 40 years! And it still sounds great! No other snare required. :p

Ok NOW I'm done....I swear! :p

I do stand corrected on a minor point. I emailed the guy here, says he only buys a certain line. Don't ask me, (flat and lifeless),I know nothing beyond what I see, and the sound I hear everywhere . His kits are all thicker shells, says he hates the sound of thin shells, they vibrate too much, so he has all thicker DW. I don't know where they come from, and the fact they are not the same as yours leads me to believe they build them for him. Custom? That's what he says.

Anyway, I am aware of the PDP line, and that they are DW. I like my cheap, NOT American drums. They have a warmth that, to me, rivals many older of the American drums they emulate. Until you hear them, and some of the members have posted videos of the "cheesy" snares, and many here have commented how warm and comfy they sound, you will not get why I am just as happy with my $100 set as you are with your $2000 set. I like the sound they make. And soon, you will all get a chance to hear these old cans. I will be making a video this week to showcase my little cheap-ass MIJ, no name, no love crap. And hopefully, you will hear why they are just as nice as many American drums from the same era. However, in order to hear the sweet sound, you have to have an open mind, along with open ears.

I have listend to music, been a part of the music scene in many cities for many years. I know a lot of big name people, I don't share the secrets of their time off stage, how they party, or who they party with, or their favorite party favors.

I do know that in the last 10-15 years, honestly since Jerry Garcia died, the sounds of music have changed, and that sound comes, to my ears, not from the guitars so much as from the drums. To be truthful, there is not much in the way of new music that I can say I really like. I am of the school of thought that a song starts with a note, and ends when it ends, winding it's way through intricate melodies and has a life that can only live in that one song, whether it lasts 3:30, or 33:00, it only lives once, and will only be heard once, and never sound the same way again. Jams are, to me, the only way live music sounds....right. I live for the jam, not the uptight, over rehearsed song. The lifeblood of music, not the live song.

Anyway, the drums sound flat and cold today. You can hear the difference in the players that own the drums they play, vs. the ones that are playing freebies. There seems to be more of a connection between them, a love of the instrument, more so than the love of the money. Listen to any set of new songs, you might hear the difference.

I had no idea this thread was this great.

DW also does a new thing of making their shells into notes. So, I think a 4 pc kit would be set up to make a chord. I have played a few of these kits and I hated the sound. It just wasn't for me.

You know what is great about this thread.. the people posting in it all civil and polite to each other my hats off to you all .. :)

Hmm...why is it that we don't see a whole bunch of "Gretsch guys" battling the "Ludwig lovers" on this forum? The drums sound completely different, and everyone has their preferences and opinions--why aren't they cramming them down each others' throats? For that matter, why not start some bouts between people who tune their drums low for rock music and those who tune them high for jazz? Sheesh!

On another drum forum I'm a member of, there are people who absolutely SWEAR by either Pearl, Yamaha, or Ddrum, and I just have to shake my head in disbelief. For anyone who thinks that DW drums are dull and lifeless, I challenge you to stomach playing one of THOSE kits for a minute! *shudders* :confused: Still though, they are entitled to their own opinions, even if they don't line up with mine...

super B that's nothing new they've been doing that for a long time its called timber matching, and its a bunch of hog slop, john goodman test the shells and he has them matched to where they are in the same range, the old companies didn't do that and they have some gret sounding drums don't they, so this is one of dw's marketing schemes. here is a pic of my shell with the note stamped inside the shell they are nov 22 2000 model .

I know, you're right, I should have written "a recent thing" (last decade) instead of a "new thing".

What does this mean exactly? I started the last thread that I have seen on here on that topic and I do not think it was beating a dead horse. As a matter of fact, I did not see another thread like it and was truely interested in what the populous thought the vintage cut-off was. From the small sample that responded, it spanned over twenty years..... More to the point, it was more of a vintage question than a DW thread with sixty five hits and as such, more appropriate to this forum. This is all I have to say about this.

have a wonderful evening

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That's only cause that big fat round jerk ain't postin' nuttin' here. Shoot, if he was around, spit'd be flying everywhere. He's so pompous and swirley that his keyboard has to be neutered to ensure it stays a one-of-a-kind. ba dom bump

sorry. it just seemed a bit too civil to me, too. it's a bit better now.