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From kellyj

Here is the pic of my mij 16" BDP floor tom. 8-lug drum with a nice thin 3-ply shell with re-rings, a muffler styled after Gretsch. Wing nuts on the leg mounts are styled after Ludwig. No badge so, jonnistix, anyone know the make/year?Great woody tone..Cheers!-kellyj

Hey kellyj--You drum is from 1968-69..Maker is pearl,the lugs have been used on many names about 30 or so.With no badge it would be hard to pen down a maker name..As far as the muffler of th top of my head these have been used on Crown,Norma,St.George,Karen,Astro in 1960s Not the new ones of today. and other i can't recall.Mikey

Posted on 14 years ago
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Thanks jonnistix, Osakabop, Mikey! jonnistix your love for and research of mij drums is shining through...

I didn't have a clue who made this nice drum! You all agree on the date '68-70 and the origin; Pearl.

When did Pearl start putting their own badges on?

Here is a pic of my best MIJ kit. It's, I believe a '78-'80 6 ply, 6 piece

(10,12,13,14,16,22) Pearl. Also comes with two tom stands. It has two badges, "Pearl" and "Maple Shell" on the outside of each tom with a sn. There are QC stickers on the inside saying "Inspection passed" with several red stamps. A round knob muffler is on each tom. Quality seems to be much higher than the older BDP floor tom.

Can you tell me more about this kit?

-kellyj

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Posted on 14 years ago
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Well, I can tell you that it`s a beautiful kit. I does look to be somewhere about 80. I have a 10x14" Pearl marching snare with the same wrap and exact same bage, inspection sticker- my shell is maple and it`s an 80".

Here is a 1980 catalog shot

[IMG]http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn87/Osakabop/Pearl80Innovation.png[/IMG]

Obviously, that kit you have is quality

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Posted on 14 years ago
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Thanks for the archive pics. That helps me a lot!

I have to admit, I am learning a lot here about MIJ.

I have purchased a couple of modern kits, SONOR "Jungle" kit and Gretsch Catalina Club. Both are made in Taiwan with nice shells and hardware. The quality of construction, fit and finish is excellent. So, in 30 years will our descendants be talking Chinese vintage drums??

-kellyj

"It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing..."
Posted on 14 years ago
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Pearl used their own badges beginning in the 50s. Most of the product from the 50s through the 70s was stencil. When the lawsuits began to become too expensive to defend, and the tarrifs shot up and American quality began to fade, that is when the name began it's meteoric rise to what we know today. Same for Star's turnover to TAMA. They saw the advantage to upping the ante as far as quality and took it. I am not saying it is a good thing or a bad thing, these are just the facts as they are borne out.

If the Japanese had not increased quality to compete, American drums would have ended up as the same thing we were importing from Japan, the weaker, low end stuff everyone percieves them to be, which now we get from China. The apathy of American workers in times of economic hardship is astounding to me. Why do we react to hard times this way? I at least attempt to redouble my efforts when times are tough, not lay down and let whatever forces are at work against me win without a fight.

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Posted on 14 years ago
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So, what exactly is "stencil"?

-kellyj

"It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing..."
Posted on 14 years ago
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Private label...knockoff,....Im not really sure,good question.

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Posted on 14 years ago
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As for what is a stencil- in my opinion ----Alot of drum companies in Japan in the 1960s had names like "Nikkan Gakki", Hoshino Gakki, even the common Yamaha was a foreign word. Post WWII and at the height of US market dominance- I believe it was the thought of the Japanese manufacturers that they needed English names that excited English speaking buyers- so stencil kits were born. Names like Stewart, Apollo, and Star- these were deigned to capture the western imagination. Everyone new it was an import but they played the game. I think some stencils were B quality shells BUT not all.

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*D'Addario Japan Evans/Promark/Puresound
*Amedia Cymbals Japan

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Posted on 14 years ago
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A stencil is exactly what it sounds like: many copies of the sam e design using similar or familiar hardware, and then "branding" them using the name chosen by the American Distributor. And this is where the Americans came into play with the names, as O'bop points out. Many of these old kits are identical copies of Slingerland hardware becuase as has been stated in other places, and below, the perception today is that Bud Slingerland was notoriously tight with money, hence the abscence of badges on many shells up until the 60s, when it became very difficult to the uninformed to tell the difference in a real Slingerland and a MIJ knockoff of the same kit. It's like, take my son's Majestics or better yet my recent finished project. Toi the untrained eye, they are very nice looking drums, and look like the American counterpart so much in size and parts that it could be easy to miss the fact they are not the real deal. Especially my kit, as they are very good stencils, with no badge. Before I layed the veneer on, and after the first round of prep work was began, they looked like a nice set of 3 ply Sling/Lud/Gretsch shells with WMP wrap. The hardware looked like it was the same, the hoops, every detail, top quality, to the untrained eye. The only way to find out was either to look at the badge, or look at the parts, of which only a very few have any indication of true origin. Made In Japan is stamped boldly on the cymbal arm mouting bracket. Other than that, to the untrained, they are Slingerland 22-16-13 and snare. The boys are similar to a blue spakle Ludwig Downbeat, or Hollywood, in the lovely sounding, sweet looking 20-12-14 configuration.

"Ignorance may be overcome through education. Stupidity, however, is a lifelong endeavor." So, educate me, I don't likes bein' ignant...
"I enjoy restoring 60s Japanese "stencil" drums...I can actually afford them..."I rescue the worst of the old valueless drums for disadvantaged Children and gladly accept donations of parts, pieces and orphans, No cockroaches, please...
http://www.youtube.com/user/karstenboy
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Coffee...16613138379603
Posted on 14 years ago
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To add- from a players perspective- these luan shells have a specific sound. I would never choose to play a drum because of it`s brand name- say simply because something is Gretsch or whatever. I have played a number of Gretsch( 70s) and Rogers (70s) snares and kits (snares in particular) that I wasn`t fond of. I wouldn`t choose something just because it`s MIJ either. But these MIJ kits have a warm tone and soft attack that is right for a small room, medium volume setting. Especially with todays high quality drum heads. I hear drumsets that are too darn loud and biting for certain venues- birch shells in particular (but maple as well) can be so cutting.

I am actually becoming a fan of hydraulic heads once again- my taste is getting drawn towards warmer and darker, more controlled drum sounds. Maybe it`s because I am more aware of my own hearing issues, wearing ear protection and working with alot of acts where the VOCALIST is the feature. If the vocalist is the main- then you better control those drums and cymbals or there will be no call back. A sweet looking psychadelic MIJ can work nicely in that niche. So I see them as a collector`s piece but also as a real performer's choice.Sumo Dude

For info. & live schedule:
www.EricWiegmanndrums.com
*Odery Drums Japan endorser/ representative
*Japan Distributor of Vruk DrumMaster pedals
*D'Addario Japan Evans/Promark/Puresound
*Amedia Cymbals Japan

It's the journey not the destination.
Posted on 14 years ago
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