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Pre-Serial keystone spur question

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I took the late model spur off of the bass drum and measured the hole spacing. The original bracket hole foot print is 1 7/8". Exactly the same as a floor tom leg bracket. The extra holes I will have to deal with are about 1/4" diameter.

The holes and wrap are sorta mashed inward. Not a hole with a clean edge. A mashed inward lookin hole. I know the newer spurs are a lot more efficient. Should I just forget it and go on, or attempt filling the holes and chase down parts? I see these legs and brackets on ebay all over the place. Another thing,

my 72 luddy tom brackets have the little swivel eye bolt inside with a wing nut to tighten the leg, the 61-63 floor tom bracket is solid with a wing screw that screws into the leg. I am assuming the latter yr bracket is more efficient, and tightens better?

1960's SONOR 12-16-20-14 blue slate pearl
1968 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-14Sky blue P
1972 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-14BlueVistalite
1972 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-(14 impostor)BlackPanther "SOLD"
1964 Ludwig Oyster Black Pearl 22-12-13-16-14Supra "SOLD"
1969 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-14 Citrus Mod "SOLD"
1969 LUDWIG Sexto-Plus 8-1 0-12-13-14-15-16-20-20-14 Silver Sparkle
60's Majestic Delux 12-13-16-22-14 red pearl
2009 Homemade Kids 8-10-13-16-12 Orange Sparkle
24 kits, 80 Snares, 65 Cymbals
Don't tell my wife!
Posted on 14 years ago
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From vintagemore2000

GG, amen you are right,I have been collecting forever, and the school i came from vintage drums are a lot of generally what is suppose to be stock, but in reality the factory used what they had on hand, there are those now that look at the old catalogs and if it isn;t what's pictured, oh god help you!! i didn't come from that school. and that was some of my PC coming Thur. I hate PC so i'm talking general for now on, thank you for the debate much enjoyed,Bowing

my mounts on my 62 downbeats are like gg's also

Posted on 14 years ago
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My BDP Kit Is definatly Pre Serial Number and according to my research and opinions of others the tom leg holders and tom tom mount brackets are the same as the bass drum leg brackets for the fold out bass drum spurs of the pre- serial keyston badge era.

From vintagemore2000

your kit is not pre serial number?? and poppy no they are not the same?

1960's SONOR 12-16-20-14 blue slate pearl
1968 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-14Sky blue P
1972 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-14BlueVistalite
1972 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-(14 impostor)BlackPanther "SOLD"
1964 Ludwig Oyster Black Pearl 22-12-13-16-14Supra "SOLD"
1969 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-14 Citrus Mod "SOLD"
1969 LUDWIG Sexto-Plus 8-1 0-12-13-14-15-16-20-20-14 Silver Sparkle
60's Majestic Delux 12-13-16-22-14 red pearl
2009 Homemade Kids 8-10-13-16-12 Orange Sparkle
24 kits, 80 Snares, 65 Cymbals
Don't tell my wife!
Posted on 14 years ago
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ive got a 22" ludwig clubdate bass in galaxy that has the carryover wfl spurs on it too. this drum also has the clear maple interior that some of the really early 60's bass drums had.

mike

Posted on 14 years ago
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From poppy79424

I took the late model spur off of the bass drum and measured the hole spacing. The original bracket hole foot print is 1 7/8". Exactly the same as a floor tom leg bracket. The extra holes I will have to deal with are about 1/4" diameter.The holes and wrap are sorta mashed inward. Not a hole with a clean edge. A mashed inward lookin hole. I know the newer spurs are a lot more efficient. Should I just forget it and go on, or attempt filling the holes and chase down parts? I see these legs and brackets on ebay all over the place. Another thing,my 72 luddy tom brackets have the little swivel eye bolt inside with a wing nut to tighten the leg, the 61-63 floor tom bracket is solid with a wing screw that screws into the leg. I am assuming the latter yr bracket is more efficient, and tightens better?

Yes the later style bracket works better at holding the legs/spurs and does not marr the leg/spur with the wing screw like the earlier ones do. Also, they are easier to find and are therefor cheaper. If it was my kit and it was a players kit, I would use the newer style bracket with the Danmar reproduction spurs. They would look correct from a distance and they would work better. I would NOT use the retracting type spurs in place of the fold away type spurs however. (The spur brackets mounting hole spacing is the same as a floor tom/rack tom bracket, but this would mean you have to drill an additional hole for the spur itself to retract into, a permanent and not so easily reversable modification.)

Posted on 14 years ago
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Someone has installed some very late model spurs. Some mentioned they look like pearl spurs. Swivel out and are telescopic, with the rubber tip that screws in and out with a spike inside the rubber tip.

From Ludwig-dude

Yes the later style bracket works better at holding the legs/spurs and does not marr the leg/spur with the wing screw like the earlier ones do. Also, they are easier to find and are therefor cheaper. If it was my kit and it was a players kit, I would use the newer style bracket with the Danmar reproduction spurs. They would look correct from a distance and they would work better. I would NOT use the retracting type spurs in place of the fold away type spurs however. (The spur brackets mounting hole spacing is the same as a floor tom/rack tom bracket, but this would mean you have to drill an additional hole for the spur itself to retract into, a permanent and not so easily reversable modification.)

1960's SONOR 12-16-20-14 blue slate pearl
1968 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-14Sky blue P
1972 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-14BlueVistalite
1972 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-(14 impostor)BlackPanther "SOLD"
1964 Ludwig Oyster Black Pearl 22-12-13-16-14Supra "SOLD"
1969 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-14 Citrus Mod "SOLD"
1969 LUDWIG Sexto-Plus 8-1 0-12-13-14-15-16-20-20-14 Silver Sparkle
60's Majestic Delux 12-13-16-22-14 red pearl
2009 Homemade Kids 8-10-13-16-12 Orange Sparkle
24 kits, 80 Snares, 65 Cymbals
Don't tell my wife!
Posted on 14 years ago
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From mlayton

ive got a 22" ludwig clubdate bass in galaxy that has the carryover wfl spurs on it too. this drum also has the clear maple interior that some of the really early 60's bass drums had.mike

Mine with the WFL-style spurs also has the clear maple interior, although the rest of the drums in my kit have the factory-painted white interiors. The rack tom is date stamped April 26, 1963.

Posted on 14 years ago
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