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The horror, the horror...

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First of all I'd like to say that I have a problem. I am literally sneaking drums into the house at 2 a.m. Nevertheless, Osaka, Jonni, and anyone else that appreciates MIJ, you may want to avert your eyes. This is so terrible and unnecessary and just so ill-concieved that I can barely take it. But, as a matter of fact, I did take it. I bought it. But it's a 14" WMP floor tom, what would you do???

Yes folks, your eyes do not deceive you. Both the floor tom and rack tom of this beautiful set have been drilled for snares. I asked why the guy decided to do it and he said, "I dont know, I just thought it would be different and jazzy..." WTF?!?!?!?!?!? He said it was done professionally, so hopefully that will have minimized the damage of the extra holes and such, but still. I sounded like Nancy Kerrigan, WHY WHY WHY???

Anyway, Stewart WMP, 12/14/20. Interestingly, the bass drum has the tear drop lugs and an oval badge as Star kits do, but the rack and floor toms have the Slingerland type lugs and a rectagular plate badge that I usually associate with Pearl made drums. So obviously these weren't an original set. The wrap locks great on all, the bass drum not as faded as the toms. Good god, look at what had to happen to the floor tom leg to get it to clear the snare butt. Lame. Thankfully it did come with a bass drum pedal, throne, and hi-hat stand.

Talk amongst yourselves...

Posted on 14 years ago
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I can't believe you've just found more WMP mij stuff! Even if it has been mutated. Maybe its more common than I first realised?

I think with a little work the damage could be made nearly invisible, but as far as the motives behind this bizzarre, possibly deranged experiment, we can only speculate!!!!

Posted on 14 years ago
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Yep, CL ad with no picture. Was pretty close by so I went a checked it out. Didn't think I would end up taking it, with the mods and all, but a WMP 14" floor tom was hard to pass up.

Any recommendations as to what to do now? Thought about stripping the snares off, but I dont know if I even want to see how bad the reality is.

Posted on 14 years ago
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First off- I understand the addiction WelcomeI would keep the snares on the 12 tom- that size was actually commonly used as a high school parade drum here in Japan- I have a Pearl factory made 8x12 snare from about 67 which sounds great:

I bet you could get some smokin grooves going and flip that second snare lever and you got a second snare on the kit- very modern...?

The floor tom as a snare??? I don`t think you`ll get enough sensitivity to warrant keeping snares on there. NO comment on how dumb it was for them to align the snares right into the leg mount! lol

Seriously though, as I said before today- you`ll need to cut some snare beds into that bottom rim of the 8x12. Here`s a great tutorial if you need.

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Posted on 14 years ago
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That's a great point from Osaka about the 12" snare, interesting too.

But as far as the 14" Ft tom goes, there's a large range of wood putties to match virtually any timber so well there almost undectable. Its a pity they don't make WMP putty for the wrap holes, but there might be some type of epoxy that can be dyed to match that exact colour, or blend of colours extremely well, both in colour and texture, any roughness could be polished back. It might need some type backing to help initial adhesion which require removal of the wrap. If you play your cards right on this one you could end up with a WMP vintage Japanese kit 12,13,14,16 20, 20! with a matching second snare. THAT would be awesome!

As far as tom mounting goes it might be better flexibility and practical usage to use ISO mounts, especially if you took the twin bass drum route?

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You know, it isn't the look of the extra holes that bothers me so much as the impact to the sound and the originality of the drum. Unfortunately it seems to have taken nearly 40 years to learn and convince people that these drums can sound good in their original state with the right choice of heads. I know some people like to re-shape the bearing edges to their liking, but I just give the edges a light sanding to just smooth them a bit, not re-shape, and I find that works great. Using this method I haven't had many tuning issues to speak of, if the edges were in their original state.

Posted on 14 years ago
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Curious. I'm looking forward to what the next VDF member will dig out in this gonzo world ...

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Posted on 14 years ago
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Laughing Hor crying2-07 I don't know which to do. But here is a cool idea. PM with you mailing address. I have something that may vey well work. Let's look at this froma purely restoration stand point, and follow the next vid that is coming up. Mike T sent me a pc of Aged WMP that will match close enough, or wait a minute, and I will have another pc that is actually cellulose and is aged perfectly. What it is going to take, for the floor tom, is some dots cut out. Using a hole punch, clich a few pieces out and put them in the holes after a good filling. This actually is coming to you at a good time because of the silly restoration series I am doing, and youj can see what I am doing to clean ut the interiors.

Now, we are going to have to start a meeting, as this ios now my standard greeting:

"Hi, my name is John, and I'm a drumaholic"...(not to take our buddy's name lightly)

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Posted on 14 years ago
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at least he didn't do the kick drumDOH

Posted on 14 years ago
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I, for one, salute this brave pioneer's forward thinking!! Without people like this working way outside of the box, we would be a stagnant people overall. While you see this as a tragedy, I see it as a radical experiment that may prove to be the norm in many, many years to come. Who really knows?

The list is long for "stupid ideas" that ultimately ended up providing us with what we take for granted today!!

I wonder what they thought when the first guy put those stupid "metal wire things" under the first snare drum way back when..............................

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