Hello,
I have a pair of 14" hi hat cymbals with an "S" stamp as the only marking. I acquired the hats with six other cymbals that were thought, by folks on this forum, to be from the 1930's.
I assume the hi hats are 1930's also, Zildjians, and that the "S" stood for seconds.
I've posted some pictures and would appreciate any feedback on the age of these hats and the history of the "S" stamp.
Thanks,
[COLOR="DarkRed"]l've owned some of those - stylistically speaking they indeed appear to be A. Zldjians - however - how did folks come up with a '30's attribution for yours ? Help2 Because your cymbal and the ones l have owned do not look like '30's A's at all. They look more like '60's A's ! The hammering pattern on yours is definitely NOT 30's lMHO. Yes the accepted theory goes these are seconds from Zildjian - the ones l have had were pretty decent. No real issues with the cymbals as far as condtion but their profiles and bell proportions did seem a little unusual compared to the vast majority of A's.[/COLOR]
It was my attribution. The six other cymbals that came with the kit, sock cymbals, Ludwig sizzle cymbals, were from the 30's so I just ASSumed that the "S" were the same era.
It began to dawn on me that I could be wrong, hence the thread.
Thanks.
There was a local midtown drummer by the name of George Stevens who loved the Zildjian sound. He was very good friends with the Zildjian family. The Zildjian family members would allow George to visit and handpick his cymbals as they were being made. They marked each one with the simple "S" you see displayed in that pic. He played and accumulated quite a cymbal collection in the span of his twenty seven year career.
On the eve of his 45th birthday, he decided to give a formal Turkish "Thank You" to the Zildjian family. Unfortunately, while practicing in the cab ride on the way to the restaurant, he botched the translation and inadvertently insulted Mhametsch, the cab driver. George never made it to the dinner. His cymbals were dispersed to help pay off the rather large and threatening individuals that visited his family. Those cymbals continue to surface to this day.
Mystery solved.
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Isn't this the HSU online Creative Writing class that meets Tuesday nights???
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I was playing drums in Fredericton, New Brunswick around 1976. Fredericton is not too far away from Meductic, where the AZCO company (later Sabian) company was. While I was there I toured the AZCO factory.
There was a music store in Fredericton, named after the owner, who was an older guy, I forget his name. I bought my 22" swish and a 14" cymbal from him, and they were both stamped "S". I don't have the 14" any more. The store owner told me that they were factory seconds that he got from AZCO. Since it was so near by, and his story made sense, I never had any reason to doubt him. My swish is, to me, an Avedis Zildjian made in Canada cymbal. It looked new at the time I bought it so I'd say that it was a '76. I was never able to find any flaws in either cymbals, other than I tiny crater on the swish, but I wouldn't be surprised if lots of cymbals have flaws that small.
I'll post a pic tomorrow when the light is better.
Remember this on Mcjnic??
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"Hallo,
I've got this strainer and I've got no id what it is.
It's fairly heavy and I think it's of good quality.
It came with some premier drums but I know it's not a premier-part.
Anyone any idees??"
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RONCO hook strainer....
Model 4U2P...........
Nicknamed the "Captain Hook"
Notorious for injuries to a drummers' ring finger when engaging the mechanism.
Said drummer would get his Aardvark Legioneers' Club ring "hooked" on the "J", and through the natural reaction of shaking his finger to become "unhooked" cause himself sometimes severe knuckle damage.
After losing several drummers to these career-ending injuries, the Model 4U2P was discontinued. Most known existing examples were smelted out of existence in a ceremonial purging at the Chelsea Hotel back in '72. This one looks to be in good+ condition, and is an impossibly rare find, perhaps even the only known example to surface in the past 15 years or so.
I would keep it, but never use it.... it's just too risky.
I was playing drums in Fredericton, New Brunswick around 1976. Fredericton is not too far away from Meductic, where the AZCO company (later Sabian) company was. While I was there I toured the AZCO factory.There was a music store in Fredericton, named after the owner, who was an older guy, I forget his name. I bought my 22" swish and a 14" cymbal from him, and they were both stamped "S". I don't have the 14" any more. The store owner told me that they were factory seconds that he got from AZCO. Since it was so near by, and his story made sense, I never had any reason to doubt him. My swish is, to me, an Avedis Zildjian made in Canada cymbal. It looked new at the time I bought it so I'd say that it was a '76. I was never able to find any flaws in either cymbals, other than I tiny crater on the swish, but I wouldn't be surprised if lots of cymbals have flaws that small.I'll post a pic tomorrow when the light is better.
Hi,
My experience as well, the S meant Second during the AZCO period. Factory seconds didn't seem to get marketed too far from the plant, I recall them in Fredericton, and a few other east coast Canadian shops.
I have no idea if the Nowell plant did the same, though it makes sense since they were still under one corporate and family umbrella at the time.
Patrick
Remember this on Mcjnic??----------------------------------------------------------------------------"Hallo,I've got this strainer and I've got no id what it is.It's fairly heavy and I think it's of good quality.It came with some premier drums but I know it's not a premier-part.Anyone any idees??"--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------RONCO hook strainer....Model 4U2P...........Nicknamed the "Captain Hook"Notorious for injuries to a drummers' ring finger when engaging the mechanism.Said drummer would get his Aardvark Legioneers' Club ring "hooked" on the "J", and through the natural reaction of shaking his finger to become "unhooked" cause himself sometimes severe knuckle damage.After losing several drummers to these career-ending injuries, the Model 4U2P was discontinued. Most known existing examples were smelted out of existence in a ceremonial purging at the Chelsea Hotel back in '72. This one looks to be in good+ condition, and is an impossibly rare find, perhaps even the only known example to surface in the past 15 years or so.I would keep it, but never use it.... it's just too risky.
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