Cymbal mounts that eliminate the need for floor stands. This Top Hat Rogers set of mine could be gig ready without the need for any cymbal stands. Of course, I use a couple for a second ride and crash on the other side for switching from lefty or righty ride work with open-handed playing.

Very cool! Cool1

-Mark

Theoretically, the cymbals are from the same era - probably A's. It's not clear if the 16" is a Zildjian or not. No markings. The hats are Zildjian.

The cymbal rods pop up on eBay and Reverb from time to time. Also, JP2 Creations makes reproductions that are quite nice. I can't recall now if I retained any spares and won't be there to check my stash space for quite some time. At least there is one coming with the set and it has a tilter. What will be nice if I arrive home and find I have an extended-length tilter, which allows a bit better positioning of the ride cymbal.

Always appreciated that kit Mark. The Buddy Rich Headliner is a true classic of the era and the blue sparkle is right in the pocket.

I'm getting toward the opinion that the 14x14 may not have been original to the purchase of this drum set. It is clearly into at least the second Dayton era because of the speckled interior paint. No question there. The tapered-head tension rods (referred to by the Drum Farm King as blip rods) came in about the same time. Also, the hex-head screws for the tension casings with the galvanized washers were introduced in that era. A further detail is that Banner was faded out and does not appear in the 1967 catalog so that seems Dayton also.

However, this question remains in my mind and is for you Rogers hawk-eyed guys: Have you ever observed that Rogers used the star washers for mounts prior to the Fullerton era?

I don't recall seeing that.

Dan,

The star washers didn't occur until the Fullerton era, so those I see on that floor tom seem a bit suspect. Can you tell if there is an outline from round washers? What I've normally seen is that Swivo brackets will use two large washers and two small washers. But, I've also seen four large washers. I'm sure the assembler just used what was available!

-Mark

I looked through my eBay pictures and found this 16x16 Dayton-era floor tom. It's an early Dayton, as can be seen by the flat gray interior. All factory washers, although I can see some replacement Philips screws. You can clearly see what washers the assemblers were using.

-Mark

Thanks for dropping the research in your first paragraph, good attention to detail!

Though I’m no Rogers guru, when I was detailing my Rogers Kit (though from 50s) there were no star washers in sight from any of my drums. Looking at my Script tom from early 60s same round washers no stars, little larger than the tension rod washers. These are Cleveland era though not sure if this helps.

I won't be able to look at a detail like the outline of round washers until I have the drums in hand and that is likely to be quite a bit later this year. I think it is a Fullerton tom added to the set, but the crossed-out Banner label brings a tiny bit of doubt into it. I wouldn't have expected a Banner label to make it all the way to Fullerton. A tower maybe, but Banner seems to have gone out long before the move to Fullerton.

I don't recall the star washers showing up until 1970 or so. For the most part, the 69's still had the round washers. I think someone once reported that the star washers were introduced in Fullerton to speed up assembly when new employees got on board.

I also don't know if they appear only on that one mount or on all of them. But if there are star indentations in the paint, then I'm going to have to assume it was a Fullerton tom.

Good news is, it will probably sound fine and hopefully matches the others well.

So you'll all have to hold your seats for the answer in the fall of 21.

What?! We have to wait until the Fall of '21?!! I'm not sure I can wait that long!!!

Seriously, though, I'm sure we're all anxious to find out more about the set! Keep us posted.

-Mark