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Why doesn't anyone reverse engineer old K's?

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I think that a couple of us out there do a pretty fair job of it.

[IMG]https://bettiscymbals.com/posts/20_Old_K_Clone_02.jpg[/IMG]

Thanks,

Matt

Posted on 5 years ago
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Wow! Now THOSE do look like old K's -especially the first one! Can you please provide more information on them, please?

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Posted on 5 years ago
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The first one is an Old K. The second is one of my renditions of an Old K. Both are 20's.

Thanks!

Matt

Posted on 5 years ago
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There you go. Both the template and it's first cousin.

Posted on 5 years ago
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From O-Lugs

This is probably a naive question...but humor me..There are enough broken/cracked/unusable old K's around to melt a few down and analyze the molecular elements in the "secret" alloy...right? Then, once that's determined, more fresh alloy can be made and a blank can be cast. After that, bring in a known great example of an old K in and replicate the thickness variances and hammering/lathing patterns using computer-aided/robotic/analytic tools.Even if there is some kind of priority alloy....I mean...I don't understand how it could ever be policed, so-to-speak. Seems like a hard-to-prove point whether or not a secret alloy is being copied...and even when everything is combined in the proper amounts, there's still going to be variances from batch to batch, anyway...right? How could anyone ever patent an alloy, as such?I'm sure that, even if this were to happen, there would still be that secret "something" that would differentiate the real ones from the clones.....maybe?It just doesn't seem like there are any new cymbals that are really like the old K's and a lot of drummers want them...so why isn't manufacturing answering the call?

I don't believe that anyone touched on the fact that all old K's don't sound the same. Playing an Old stamp, as an example, you will hear a very different sounding bell and sticking than a '70s New stamp. There is not just one Old K sound to emulate.

Mark
BosLover
Posted on 5 years ago
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From BosLover

I don't believe that anyone touched on the fact that all old K's don't sound the same. Playing an Old stamp, as an example, you will hear a very different sounding bell and sticking than a '70s New stamp. There is not just one Old K sound to emulate.

This is so true. In one case, Agop chose to use the old stamp model.

Posted on 5 years ago
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And or

From BosLover

There is not just one Old K sound to emulate.

could see as I do K Istanbuls in a basket of six deplora...wait... Type I, II, II, IV, Intermediates, New Stamp- Sound categories character )shape and build) or the general 3 cats Old, Inter, New, __ all Thanks to Williams Research Institute

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Posted on 5 years ago
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and this picture is from the 1948 Gretsch catalog (had it in my files T.Bruce Whittet got it from me..(me me.. 1948.

Shows the A. Zildjian from Constantinople, Turkey SIZZLE..18,20.

Lovely, innit?

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Posted on 5 years ago
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And orcould see as I do K Istanbuls in a basket of six deplora...wait... Type I, II, II, IV, Intermediates, New Stamp- Sound categories character )shape and build) or the general 3 cats Old, Inter, New, __ all Thanks to Williams Research Institute

For emulation's sake, deplora #1 would range from very difficult to virtually impossible, and so I personally would choose basket #2.

Posted on 5 years ago
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haha Ya I believe it

.................................................. ......Joe
Posted on 5 years ago
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