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I Have Never "Gotten" Ludwig Drums

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Me neither - shouldn't they be called "Lugwid"? Y'know, because of the lugs?

Fully aware this joke is not that funny.

Posted on 4 years ago
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Great, let's see Slingerlug?

Posted on 4 years ago
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From DrumBob

You're exactly right. In the mid-60s in Britain, the vast majority of young musicians wanted American instruments, which were perceived as being better than anything that you could get in England. There was a trade embargo for years that prevented US manufacturers from selling instruments to English retailers, so when American gear finally became available, the race was on to get a Fender, Gibson, Rickenbacker or Gretsch guitar. Same with drums. Ludwig ruled the roost as a result of The Beatles' popularity. Ringo was proud to have an American drumkit, so he had the store where he bought them re-paint and enlarge the Ludwig logo so people could see he played American drums. Ringo was also happy to be able to buy Avedis Zildjian cymbals. Prior that that, he'd been using other brands. Ringo has stayed with Ludwig drums all his life, obviously. I'd say Ringo was the best salesman Ludwig ever had. Between Ringo and Buddy, they probably sold more drums for that company than anyone else. Gene Krupa did the same for Slingerland for decades.You may notice that 60's British drummers are rarely seen playing Slingerland or Gretsch drums. Ludwig was the dominant name back then along with Premier. English Rogers drums were fundamentally different than American Rogers. If I'm not mistaken, English Rogers drums were made by Premier. I'm sure someone can either confirm or deny that.

English Rogers drums were made by Ajax (Boosey & Hawkes).

Posted on 4 years ago
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From johnnyringo

Great, let's see Slingerlug?

"Swingerland! Because Buddy Rich!"

I shoulda been in their marketing dept.

Posted on 4 years ago
#14
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From DrumBob

You're exactly right. In the mid-60s in Britain, the vast majority of young musicians wanted American instruments, which were perceived as being better than anything that you could get in England. There was a trade embargo for years that prevented US manufacturers from selling instruments to English retailers, so when American gear finally became available, the race was on to get a Fender, Gibson, Rickenbacker or Gretsch guitar. Same with drums. Ludwig ruled the roost as a result of The Beatles' popularity. Ringo was proud to have an American drumkit, so he had the store where he bought them re-paint and enlarge the Ludwig logo so people could see he played American drums. Ringo was also happy to be able to buy Avedis Zildjian cymbals. Prior that that, he'd been using other brands. Ringo has stayed with Ludwig drums all his life, obviously. I'd say Ringo was the best salesman Ludwig ever had. Between Ringo and Buddy, they probably sold more drums for that company than anyone else. Gene Krupa did the same for Slingerland for decades.You may notice that 60's British drummers are rarely seen playing Slingerland or Gretsch drums. Ludwig was the dominant name back then along with Premier. English Rogers drums were fundamentally different than American Rogers. If I'm not mistaken, English Rogers drums were made by Premier. I'm sure someone can either confirm or deny that.

Indeed but during and after the Fab 4 craze Ludwig could not ship fast enough to meet the demand worldwide so quality control went south for a while and they did pump out some real lemons. I own and play Ludwigs from the 50's, 60's and 70's and love them but when buying old ones, you have to inspect every drum. Not because the badge says Ludwig that they are perfect.

Keep fixing them up...
Posted on 4 years ago
#15
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When I did whiteroom on my new Hollywood Champagne kit in 1968 those toms sounded so cool

And all the cream songs

and that supra for fire was beyond my expectations I though they were and still do think there it

no excuse not sorry there the best ......

April 2nd 1969 scarfed pink champagne holly wood and 65/66 downbeat snare, and , supra same year very minty kit old pies
66/67 downbeat with canister
Super 400 small round knob
1967 super classic obp





once the brass ceases to glitter, and the drum looses its luster, and the stage remains dark, all you have left is the timbre of family.
Posted on 4 years ago
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From drumfx

Indeed but during and after the Fab 4 craze Ludwig could not ship fast enough to meet the demand worldwide so quality control went south for a while and they did pump out some real lemons. I own and play Ludwigs from the 50's, 60's and 70's and love them but when buying old ones, you have to inspect every drum. Not because the badge says Ludwig that they are perfect.

I often read about the post 1964 "drop in quality" but have not yet found anyone who owned any of these "poorly made" drums. The Beatles English distributor (Arbiter) made the statement. Maybe the Chief sent all the crummy stuff to England?

Posted on 4 years ago
#17
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The rivet disaster was perversely funny to those of us who didn't like Ludwigs to begin with.

No matter how far you push the envelope, it is still stationery.
Posted on 4 years ago
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How can anyone not like Ludwig? I've never played a vintage kit I didn't like, whether it be Slingerland, Rogers, Gretsch or Ludwig. They all have good qualities, Ludwig just happens to be my favorite.

Posted on 4 years ago
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I have owned and played tons of vintage Ludwigs. I have had plenty of drums made after the Beatle boom and I probably only had one set that was bad. It's too bad because it was probably one of the nicest Ludwig sets I ever owned. It was a 1966 champagne sparkle downbeat and the color was just pristine. I took the set apart to detail them and there was no fade anywhere. For some reason I could not tune them that well and they never sounded good. I noticed on the 12 and 14 that the holes for the lugs were a little off. If you put a head on and lined up the tension rod straight onto the lug, the next tension rod was not straight. I'm thinking the holes got drilled off from each other somehow and this was the result. It was an absolute stunner of a set but I sold them because I could never make them sound good.

I don't think that's too bad though given the amount of sets I have owned. There have been plenty of sets from 1964-1967 that I have had that sound amazing.

"wfl does not stand for world football league!"
Posted on 4 years ago
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