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1971 Ludwig Set Has Arrived!

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Good evening! The 1971 Ludwig sparkle red set I asked about in another thread arrived today, and I've spent the evening unpacking it. Let me say that the seller, VintageDrumBug did a FANTASTIC job of packing it! The entire set, plus cymbal stand and pedal, fit into a single 70 lb box.

The set is GORGEOUS! I've spent the evening assembling it, putting Evans G1 heads on for playing. Bearing edges are good, drums are round, tunes up easily. Standing a few feet back, it looks almost new. But there are a pair of issues I'd like advice on please.

The wrap on the bass drum is loose at the seam and has risen about 2mm. I'm thinking about reglueing to keep the wrap from getting worse. What adhesive would be best? Or should I just leave it alone until it gets worse?

Second, the bass drum legs are bent and will not fit into the brackets at all. Will the Ludwig LC1308SP legs on Amazon fit?

Thanks!

Current sets
2018 Precision Drum (natural maple, 10/12/13/16/20)
Gretsch USA: 1958 3-ply (white pearl, 12/16/20), 1976 6-ply (12/13/16/22), 1998 6-ply (walnut, 8/10/12/14/16/20)
Slingerland: 1963 (BDP, 13/16/22), 1966 (Sparkle red, 13/16/20)
Posted on 5 years ago
#1
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Congrats!! You definitely have a nice kit there!!

Those issues are minor and not too expensive to resolve...

Enjoy!!

Cheers

1976 Ludwig Mach 4 Thermogloss 26-18-14-14sn
1978 Ludwig Stainless 22-22-18-16-14-13-12 c/w 6-8-10-12-13-14-15-16-18-20-22-24 concert toms
1975 Sonor Phonic Centennials Metallic Pewter 22-16-13-12-14sn (D506)
1971 Ludwig Classic Bowling Ball OBP 22-16-14-13
1960's Stewart Peacock Pearl 20-16-12-14sn
1980`s Ludwig Coliseum Piano Black 8x14 snare
1973 Rogers Superten 5x14 & 6.5x14 COS snares
1970`s John Grey Capri Aquamarine Sparkle 5x14 snare
1941 Ludwig & Ludwig Super 8x14 snare
Posted on 5 years ago
#2
Posts: 2010 Threads: 19

The legs on Amazon are the newer style and are a bigger size. You would have to use the new brackets and probably enlarge the leg hole on your drum shell. Anyone with knowledge of Ludwigs would instantly notice those not being the correct legs for a set from 1971 so, in view of the pristine nature of your new set I'd say you should hunt down an unbent pair of the correct spurs or see if you can unbend the ones you have.

How are they bent? They can be kind of tricky to get back in the brackets if you pull them all the way out.

Posted on 5 years ago
#3
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Well crud, I was hoping the legs would fit. I guess for now I'll use a pair of hoop-mount legs.

I've attached a photo of the legs that are bent. As you can see, they have significant bends in them.

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Current sets
2018 Precision Drum (natural maple, 10/12/13/16/20)
Gretsch USA: 1958 3-ply (white pearl, 12/16/20), 1976 6-ply (12/13/16/22), 1998 6-ply (walnut, 8/10/12/14/16/20)
Slingerland: 1963 (BDP, 13/16/22), 1966 (Sparkle red, 13/16/20)
Posted on 5 years ago
#4
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From Warrenwood

Well crud, I was hoping the legs would fit. I guess for now I'll use a pair of hoop-mount legs. I've attached a photo of the legs that are bent. As you can see, they have significant bends in them.

If you have access to a vise you can fix those easily.

Posted on 5 years ago
#5
Posts: 137 Threads: 25

From defdes

If you have access to a vise you can fix those easily.

Unfortunately I don't, and my metalworking skills are not good anyway (sigh). Is the metal really that soft?

Current sets
2018 Precision Drum (natural maple, 10/12/13/16/20)
Gretsch USA: 1958 3-ply (white pearl, 12/16/20), 1976 6-ply (12/13/16/22), 1998 6-ply (walnut, 8/10/12/14/16/20)
Slingerland: 1963 (BDP, 13/16/22), 1966 (Sparkle red, 13/16/20)
Posted on 5 years ago
#6
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One way to deal with the wrap edge lift is to cut very thin strips of two sided tape, the heavy duty 3M kind, and tuck them beneath the lifting edge carefully with tweezers. It will keep the problem from getting any worse, and won’t risk a glue mess that might be tough to reverse.

Stop stringing and tuning your instrument, make music now.
-fortune cookie

Vintage Drums:
1970ish Ludwig Standard Avocado Strata downbeat
1970ish Star Acrylic 22,12,13,16
1950’s Gretsch tympani 26.5
19?? Sonor roto-tympani 13x12
70’s Ludwig Standard alum 14x5 snare
90’s Arbiter Adv. Tuning 12x5 snare
90’s Ludwig blackrolite 14x5 snare

Modern Drums:
Erie Drums 1-ply sycamore shell kit 18,10,13
Erie 1-ply maple 14x5 snare
Tama S.L.P. Acrylic 14x6.5 snare
Posted on 5 years ago
#7
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Just hunt around for the correct bass drum spurs until you find them. Of course, you'll never find them when you need them.

I'd like to see some pics of the lifted seam. I re-glued a seam once with some cyanoacrylate (Super Glue)....but I did a lot of prep work, first....and I have clamps and stuff....but it can be done.

"God is dead." -Nietzsche

"Nietzsche is dead." -God
Posted on 5 years ago
#8
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From Warrenwood

Unfortunately I don't, and my metalworking skills are not good anyway (sigh). Is the metal really that soft?

Yeah those are pretty well bent! Wow! I've never seen anything like that before so it was probably someone's bad idea from the past! But I suppose you could probably bend them in a vice enough to at least fit again and be functional. No they aren't particularly soft metal. Someone had to work hard to bend them that badly. Fortunately they didn't try to bend them while they were on the drum shell! (Or did they?)

It looks like someone tried to change the curvature of the spurs in order to get them to grip better (?) Who knows? Anyway, they probably took them off and bent them in a vice ...or maybe even just took a hammer to them.

I have some skill at these types of fixes so I'd probably try and wrench/hammer them into a functional state and then shop around for the right spurs. Or you might be able to take them to an auto body repair place and see if someone can reshape them for you...might be kind of a last resort option, but still....

You should probably closely check the brackets. too. There's always the possibility of stress cracks on them. They often go unnoticed on that design.

"God is dead." -Nietzsche

"Nietzsche is dead." -God
Posted on 5 years ago
#9
Posts: 891 Threads: 26

5 Bids they are in-demand......

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Ludwig-Vintage-Bass-Drum-Spur-Mounts-Spurs-5-16-Spurs-1970s-Nice/264500164707?hash=item3d95703863:g:BZIAAOSwD1Fdpn7w

These look like later fatter ones retro fit? who knows.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1970-s-VINTAGE-LUDWIG-CURVED-SPURS-1-2/254376871565?hash=item3b3a0b068d:g:x1kAAOSw~QVdlJFq:sc:USPSPriorityMailSmallFlatRateBox!15644!US!-1

.................................................. ......Joe
Posted on 5 years ago
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