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Ludwig questions! Oyster finish, bowling ball, lugs, HH stand and more...

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Hi all,

New to the forum so please forgive any repetition... I've been reading for an hour and have learnt a lot but also have some questions that are surely only from the expert eye!

This is my 1964 Ludwig 4-piece with an extra 1968 12-inch tom tom.

I would like to know...

1) I have been calling these Blue Oyster Pearl - am I right?

2) The previous owner said they were 'Super Classics' - do we concur?

3) I understand they are mahogany-poplar-mahogany, any disagreement on that?

3) The extra (12") tom-tom - is that the slightly different 'bowling ball' finish I've been reading about?

4) Given that the BD has been modified to take a twin tom holder, would you suggest selling it with the extra tom, or as a 4-piece? (I still have the Consolette mount too)

5) I've read about an 'Atlas' hi hat stand - is that it? Or do I have something different? What about the snare stand?

Any comments welcome.

Mark, Bristol UK

Posted on 14 years ago
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....here are the extra pics I couldn't upload first time:

Posted on 14 years ago
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Welcome to our little world on the wierd web...wait, I mean...oh, never mind. Welcome, and very nice kit! Sky Blue Pearl, and the "orphan" is not the bowling ball, just a different slice from a different year. Those are excellent and are you really selling them?

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Posted on 14 years ago
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sadly yes! It's for something almost as precious though, an engagement ring... Glad you like the kit and thanks for the comment on the finish

Posted on 14 years ago
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Wow...too bad there is no other way, but at least post them in our for sale section before throwing them on ebay. At least someone who can truly appreciate them would get a shot at them first.

From marktristan

sadly yes! It's for something almost as precious though, an engagement ring... Glad you like the kit and thanks for the comment on the finish

"Ignorance may be overcome through education. Stupidity, however, is a lifelong endeavor." So, educate me, I don't likes bein' ignant...
"I enjoy restoring 60s Japanese "stencil" drums...I can actually afford them..."I rescue the worst of the old valueless drums for disadvantaged Children and gladly accept donations of parts, pieces and orphans, No cockroaches, please...
http://www.youtube.com/user/karstenboy
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Coffee...16613138379603
Posted on 14 years ago
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Aren't most folks on here in USA?... just that I'm in England and I doubt I could ship it safely and economically... I know what you mean about appreciators though; I wouldn't want it to go to a careless owner...

Posted on 14 years ago
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From marktristan

Hi all, New to the forum so please forgive any repetition... I've been reading for an hour and have learnt a lot but also have some questions that are surely only from the expert eye!This is my 1964 Ludwig 4-piece with an extra 1968 12-inch tom tom.I would like to know...1) I have been calling these Blue Oyster Pearl - am I right?Oyster Blue Pearl 2) The previous owner said they were 'Super Classics' - do we concur?It might have been at one time. A Super Classic is a 22/13/163) I understand they are mahogany-poplar-mahogany, any disagreement on that?More than likely it is a maple/poplar/mahogany layup3) The extra (12") tom-tom - is that the slightly different 'bowling ball' finish I've been reading about?It is not the bowling ball style. It's the real OBP4) Given that the BD has been modified to take a twin tom holder, would you suggest selling it with the extra tom, or as a 4-piece? (I still have the Consolette mount too)You can't really go back and un-change that double tom mount hole. I'd probably sell it as a 4-piece -with full disclosure about the modifications, of course.5) I've read about an 'Atlas' hi hat stand - is that it? Or do I have something different? What about the snare stand?No. That's a flat base Spur-Lok stand. The snare stand is a regular flat base stand -not an Atlas.Any comments welcome.The guy installing my new kitchen cabinets is from Nottingham. :DMark, Bristol UK

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Posted on 14 years ago
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It's interesting to note the inclusion of LARGE Classic lugs on that 12" tom. Usually, they are small Classics on the 12" toms.

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Posted on 14 years ago
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From jonnistix

Welcome to our little world on the wierd web...wait, I mean...oh, never mind. Welcome, and very nice kit! Sky Blue Pearl, and the "orphan" is not the bowling ball, just a different slice from a different year. Those are excellent and are you really selling them?

Those are actually Oyster Blue Pearl -- slightly different from Sky Blue Pearl. The SBP had more of a monochromatic 3D look, and lacked the characteristic oyster pattern seen on Ringo's Oyster Black drums.

Here's an example of SBP for comparison:

http://www.drumdoctors.com/uploaded_images/skyblue-fix-730256.jpg

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Posted on 14 years ago
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I am corrected by those who know their blues better than I...and I am gracious as well. Always learning...

From section2

Those are actually Oyster Blue Pearl -- slightly different from Sky Blue Pearl. The SBP had more of a monochromatic 3D look, and lacked the characteristic oyster pattern seen on Ringo's Oyster Black drums.Here's an example of SBP for comparison:http://www.drumdoctors.com/uploaded_images/skyblue-fix-730256.jpg

"Ignorance may be overcome through education. Stupidity, however, is a lifelong endeavor." So, educate me, I don't likes bein' ignant...
"I enjoy restoring 60s Japanese "stencil" drums...I can actually afford them..."I rescue the worst of the old valueless drums for disadvantaged Children and gladly accept donations of parts, pieces and orphans, No cockroaches, please...
http://www.youtube.com/user/karstenboy
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Coffee...16613138379603
Posted on 14 years ago
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