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Dating Zildjian cymbals

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As part of my Slingerland project, I was able to get ahold of four of the cymbals that were with the set. Supposedly these are the same age as the set (approx 1971) but I don't know if that's correct.

I ended up buying 15" hi-hats (I'll use one as a crash, I already have 14" Mastersounds), 16" crash, 18" Constantinople.

I would appreciate anything that anybody can tell me. Thank you!!!

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Current sets
2018 Precision Drum (natural maple, 10/12/13/16/20)
Gretsch USA: 1958 3-ply (white pearl, 12/16/20), 1976 6-ply (12/13/16/22), 1998 6-ply (walnut, 8/10/12/14/16/20)
Slingerland: 1963 (BDP, 13/16/22), 1966 (Sparkle red, 13/16/20)
Posted on 6 years ago
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Precise years for these are hard to estimate. There is always a bit of uncertainty which I've indicated by adding "ish". Although we have common names for the stamps like "60s" or "70s" most changes didn't happen right on the decade.

Going left to right those look like

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[*]A Zildjian & Cie Constantinople: 1973ish to 1981ish for this first version

[*]Late 50s Small Stamp (subtype B): 1959ish-1960ish

[*]60s Stamp (short version): 1960s although this particular stamps is sometimes found on cymbals which are most likely produced in 1970/71.

[/LIST]

You can look all these up via the links in my signature. There you will find my definitions of how to tell the different stamps apart, as well as info on weights and expected price.

Posted on 6 years ago
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I'm still learning this stuff myself..

I believe the middle photo is a late 50's stamp. Looks like a 60s stamp but the 3 dots are missing in the Arabic writing above. The E in Made is aligned directly under the H in Turkish.

Second stamp looks to be 60s, with the three dots in the Arabic.

I can't answer for the Constantinople.

mlayton or zenstat will chime in and confirm.

EDIT NOTE: I see Zen and I commented at the same time =)

-Justin

"People might look at you a bit funny, but it's okay. Artists are allowed to be a bit different."- Bob Ross

"After silence, that which comes closest to expressing the inexpressible is music..." - Aldous Huxley
Posted on 6 years ago
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Wow, thank you both very much!

It's been fascinating learning about the history of this set. Even though I grew up in this era, there is a wealth of data I knew nothing about before finding this site. I truly appreciate all the time and work of the experts here!

Current sets
2018 Precision Drum (natural maple, 10/12/13/16/20)
Gretsch USA: 1958 3-ply (white pearl, 12/16/20), 1976 6-ply (12/13/16/22), 1998 6-ply (walnut, 8/10/12/14/16/20)
Slingerland: 1963 (BDP, 13/16/22), 1966 (Sparkle red, 13/16/20)
Posted on 6 years ago
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From Warrenwood

Wow, thank you both very much! It's been fascinating learning about the history of this set. Even though I grew up in this era, there is a wealth of data I knew nothing about before finding this site. I truly appreciate all the time and work of the experts here!

Welcome to the forum Warrenwood! There's a bunch of good folks here

-Justin

"People might look at you a bit funny, but it's okay. Artists are allowed to be a bit different."- Bob Ross

"After silence, that which comes closest to expressing the inexpressible is music..." - Aldous Huxley
Posted on 6 years ago
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