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And you guys wonder why this country (the USA) has gone to hell in a handbasket. We ship all of our vintage stuff overseas, we outsource jobs to overseas, new "american" products are made overseas......no pride in USA MADE IN THE USA anymore. As far as Gretsch and the Ludwig Brothers being from Germany....yes I agree they were FROM Germany....but they came here, the USA and were proud to be here and were proud of their AMERICAN products.

Anything I sell, if it came from here, I will only sell to here. What they buyer does after that I don't want to know. But as far as I'm concerned about the sale, it stayed here.

And FYI, Ringo's Ludwigs are currently in Los Angeles....Yes Sir

Posted on 15 years ago
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From Ludwig-dude

And you guys wonder why this country (the USA) has gone to hell in a handbasket. We ship all of our vintage stuff overseas, we outsource jobs to overseas, new "american" products are made overseas......no pride in USA MADE IN THE USA anymore. Anything I sell, if it came from here, I will only sell to here. What they buyer does after that I don't want to know. But as far as I'm concerned about the sale, it stayed here.

All of the west has gone to the same hell. As someone from Detroit who also works in international business I can't tell you how much it breaks my heart that real goods (not clothes pins at wal mart) are not made in USA anymore.

Trust me, ALL of us on this forum love American-made musical instruments equally as much. We are all proud of the clear fact that NO ONE made anything better in the golden music era than USA: guitars, drums, amps you name it.

And kudos to companies like Martin that can still make most of their stuff in USA.

But I have to say that if I were considering a manufacturing based business I would never set it up in the USA. Unions make it too expensive to hire people. Lawyers will sue me at every turn for injuries and allegations of discrimination. Taxes are outrageous and getting worse because we continue to have governments whose sole achievement is that they know less about economics than the government before them.

At the same time at my former company's office in Thailand I couldn't believe the quality of workmanship and pride in work that these people took. A small chip on a piece of glass being laid in and they stopped work and ordered a new on in.

I love USA manufacturing and that's one reason why I love vintage instruments. But until i see some radical changes in USA that address the above problems, it's Asia for me. That's the only way the business will be viable.

And everyone who can pay should have the ability to acquire nice pieces. If you disagree with me, then you need to ask your reps to pass a cultural heritage type law (like China has) and that, e.g., old Gretsch drums are on the protected list.

Posted on 15 years ago
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From knavel

But I have to say that if I were considering a manufacturing based business I would never set it up in the USA. Unions make it too expensive to hire people. Lawyers will sue me at every turn for injuries and allegations of discrimination. Taxes are outrageous and getting worse because we continue to have governments whose sole achievement is that they know less about economics than the government before them.

I hear ya. Thats what we need to do though, get rid of these obstacles, like lawyers, unions, and tree huggers in general. Maybe, just maybe, we could get the good ole' USA back on track then. That and stop policing the rest of the world so that they're not ticked off at us so much.

Posted on 15 years ago
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The world shot itself in the foot, culturally-speaking, a long time ago, when they set out over the Bearing Land Bridge following the mastodons. Those people HAD a culture they understood and maybe even one in which they were happy. The mastodons went away and people were forced to change their old ways and accept new ways. Much the same can be said for American manufacturing.

Someone got the bright idea that if they could make some things cheaper and maintain the illusion of the same quality, then that would mean MUCH more money for the company at the end of the day. "How can we do that?" We let someone else do the "dirty work" cheaper. "Who will be willing to do that?" People who aren't used to the good old American lifestyle. People who grew up with a lot less than the average "poor" American.

I can tell you from my kitchen remodeling project...The plasterer was from Ireland. His assistant was from Venezuala. The roofers were Mexicans. The cable installer is Romanian. The flooring guys are Russians. And, yet, every one of the company reps (the people who write the bids) were born in the USA. We bred a generation of CEOs but all the workers are out of sight in another country where there are fewer safety restrictions, environmental restrictions, liability insurance, taxes, etc.

On the bright side: Our air pollution is MUCH less than what is seen in Chinese manufacturing cities. We may be out of a job, but at least we will starve to death breathing clean air. DOH!

In order to get good old American manufacturing back again, we're going to have to regain that good old attitude of: "When you want something done right, then you gotta do it yourself..." - or do without it!

And it's VERY easy for me to type all of this and feel that it sounds "right" -because that's the nature of writing. But, in application, the way that things work in real-time, tend to trump what sounds good on paper.

Chewie:

"God is dead." -Nietzsche

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Posted on 15 years ago
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Myself along with 600 co-workers will have lost their jobs at the plant I work in over the past year.... our product will soon be made in Mexico.

The plant I work in, and one other will be closed Dec. 1st.

This is two of many plants owned by this company, some in the U.S.A. and some overseas.

These closings are not part of an effort to save the company, it is very profitable the way it is.

It is about greed.

In a time when America needs all the jobs within its' borders as possible, I find the maneuver particularly slimy.

And they are building two plants in China this year.

Jerks.............

Kevin
Posted on 15 years ago
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From kevins

Myself along with 600 co-workers will have lost their jobs at the plant I work in over the past year.... our product will soon be made in Mexico.The plant I work in, and one other will be closed Dec. 1st.This is two of many plants owned by this company, some in the U.S.A. and some overseas.These closings are not part of an effort to save the company, it is very profitable the way it is.It is about greed.In a time when America needs all the jobs within its' borders as possible, I find the maneuver particularly slimy.And they are building two plants in China this year.Jerks.............

All of this started with NAFTA a few years back. That and corporate greed. The one place where the government SHOULD get involved, they turn their back. They should give breaks to AMERICAN companies that OPEN factories in the USA and put AMERICAN workers to work, rather than outsource or send jobs to overseas. Right now its all backwards. How much money do these corporations really need to have as profits? :mad:

The other half of the problem is that the USA lets these foreign countries DUMP their products on us, while if we try to do the same those same countries suddenly have trade restrictions! Japan dumps Toyotas, Hondas, Sonys, Peals, Tamas, Yamahas, Kawasakis, etc on us, yet if we try to do the same with Harleys, Chevys, Ludwigs, Gretschs, Klose Audio, etc it gets sent back to us! Does anyone else see a problem here??

But I digress, as we all have gotten off topic here......The seller (Mikey) should have held his ground to the guy from Italy and told him sorry, no sale. I don't sell to Italy, so you're out and NOT the winning bidder. He should not have let negative feedback possibilities scare him, nor should he have bothered with someone who has badgered him about cost of shipping to somewhere he didn't want to ship and customs fees! Ya, ok an expensive drum is a gift? Like customs couldn't see right through that! And the Mafia wonders why they got such a bad rap? Falling Do

Posted on 15 years ago
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From kevins

Myself along with 600 co-workers will have lost their jobs at the plant I work in over the past year.... our product will soon be made in Mexico.The plant I work in, and one other will be closed Dec. 1st.This is two of many plants owned by this company, some in the U.S.A. and some overseas.These closings are not part of an effort to save the company, it is very profitable the way it is.It is about greed.In a time when America needs all the jobs within its' borders as possible, I find the maneuver particularly slimy.And they are building two plants in China this year.Jerks.............

HEAR HEAR! I agree completely! And I lean to the right...

fishwaltz
Posted on 15 years ago
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Hi All, The up date,This guy emails me again[tonight] he wants 30.00 usa money to cover the customs tax or he going to file a case with ebay..He also said that you has got other snare drums from the u.s.a. and nevered paid a tax on them because the forum was mark "GIFT",,, So i just email him back and told he go ahead with the case to see what will happen..Funny thing i have some parts on ebay right now a guy emailed me asking if it was for real you dont ship to italy,,YES i said and block him from bidding...I'am so done with shipping to italy---i have no problem shippingto japan,england,ete...mikey

Posted on 15 years ago
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That's truly a bad story!

...but could it only happen with Italians??

I heard lots of stories about lost packages in Italy, but this guy is just an .$$hole!

I had one guy from Italy once, who bought a quite cheap 4,5x14 Leedy&Ludwig snare from me and didn't want to give me good feedback, because he found 2 tuning rods which weren't original. It was sold as a players instrument and not a collector's item, but still was in the best condition i ever saw on this kind of snare!

Apart from that i only had very good experiences with international shipments.

The political suff stated here is so dump, that i won't reply to that!!

Toilet

Posted on 15 years ago
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From schlagsaite

That's truly a bad story!...but could it only happen with Italians??I heard lots of stories about lost packages in Italy, but this guy is just an .$!I had one guy from Italy once, who bought a quite cheap 4,5x14 Leedy&Ludwig snare from me and didn't want to give me good feedback, because he found 2 tuning rods which weren't original. It was sold as a players instrument and not a collector's item, but still was in the best condition i ever saw on this kind of snare!Apart from that i only had very good experiences with international shipments. The political suff stated here is so dump, that i won't reply to that!!Toilet

No it happens all over the world, and I have nothing good to say about ebay and international shipping. It ALWAYS turns out to be a pain in the butt. So NOT worth the hassle.

As far as your comment about the "political stuff is dump", well........maybe you need to wake up and smell the coffee then. Look around sometime and you'll see what I'm talking about.

Posted on 15 years ago
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