Does anyone know for sure if Ludwig used COB or Ludaloy on a Keystone badge (no serial #) on a Super Sensitive snare.
From what I can tell, it's either a 1960, 61, 62, or early 63, based on the lack of serial numbers.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks
Yes, they made brass shelled SS's in the early 1960's.
Some of the strainer parts were Ludwig and Ludwig 1930's/1940's parts on the initial run of drums.
I sold one last year. Weighed a ton and sounded great.
With no serial on the badge it's likely COB. Is the muffler actuator a knob or the ball bat style? Knob would be another plus in the COB column. BB might be aluminum but on an SS I'd still lean towards brass if it's pre-serial.
Thanks for the response BEC and K.O.
I'm trying to get more photos from the guy. The only photo he had, was showing the side with the badge. Unfortunately, I don't know what style muffler actuator is on it at this time.
Do either of you have a timeline when Ludwig started using Ludaloy on the these shells ?
I think November 1963 is still the latest date stamp associated with a pre serial keystone badge. I've got a Jazz Festival date stamped [COLOR="Red"]Nov 18, 1963[/COLOR] with no serial number, red felt, and a baseball bat muffler (damper control).
As far as the changeover of alloy it isn't an exact date. It is a transition period of unknown length. A metal shelled drum (be it SS mechanism or P83) without a serial number has a higher probability of being a brass shell than one which has a serial. But we don't have accurate estimates of the probability. The same goes for baseball bat vs knob muffler, and the other hardware details people come up with. There are no absolutes, just probabilities, but we don't know what those are. And as we have learned repeatedly over the years, with Ludwig "never say never".
I think November 1963 is still the latest date stamp associated with a pre serial keystone badge. I've got a Jazz Festival date stamped [COLOR="Red"]Nov 18, 1963[/COLOR] with no serial number, red felt, and a baseball bat muffler (damper control). As far as the changeover of alloy it isn't an exact date. It is a transition period of unknown length. A metal shelled drum (be it SS mechanism or P83) without a serial number has a higher probability of being a brass shell than one which has a serial. But we don't have accurate estimates of the probability. The same goes for baseball bat vs knob muffler, and the other hardware details people come up with. There are no absolutes, just probabilities, but we don't know what those are. And as we have learned repeatedly over the years, with Ludwig "never say never".
Thanks for the reply. Yes, we can only assume with Ludwig probability. Over the years I've seen things that make me say Wow !!!
Yes, they made brass shelled SS's in the early 1960's. Some of the strainer parts were Ludwig and Ludwig 1930's/1940's parts on the initial run of drums. I sold one last year. Weighed a ton and sounded great.
Can you give me a ballpark price that you sold it for ?
Thanks
The SS was minty. Went for over a grand? (Maybe the buyer will read this and offer exact info which I don't recall! )
Thanks for the response. The guy selling the drum I'm looking at, wants over a grand as well. It's definitely a chrome over brass shell. It has the baseball bat muffler actuator, and the bent inward curl on the edges.
