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From WANT IM ALL

hi again powertone- what do you think is the monetary value ofthe english? in non ebay dollars in a honest no lowballing transaction?this drum looks like it just came out of the box! great care has been given here.was it re chromed or original? oh and the agent comes in 5 minutes to takeher away.

OK, I'm locking the doors and calling in my attack Boykin Spaniel!

It's hard to say what an English dyna will bring. There was one on eBay a while back and can't remember how it did. Just like this one. I don't know that they are that desirable among collectors of US Rogers, but they should be. Definately a part of the Rogers history.

They are interesting drums. If you notice, it has alot of very early dyna features (tall hoop, a first generation snare rail, a very early fat badge. There is no grommet or serial on the badge - a sign that it's English. The shell is slightly different and the 7 lines are engraved slightly differently. It has an English muffler (Ajax style?) and the script logo is slightly different (and most of them fall off - as on this one - as they are held on by pins. As I understand it, many of the parts were made in England. I believe a few parts (strainer and snare bridge in particular) came from the US. Perhaps the hoops as well.

The drum is all original. I think I replaced one tension rod over the years, and of course the heads. Not sure how she has remained so nice, as I have played for a great deal of the time I owned her.

Posted on 15 years ago
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From Powertone

You know, they all sound different. I have a couple of wood dynas and three chrome over brass. It all depends on what sound you like. Ironically, the best sounding dyna I have ever played is an English built dyna that I have had since 1968! It is fatter, more tone and more character than any other I have ever owned. Here she is...... (Ironically, the person that I bought the English from in '68 just surfaced on this site. It was nice to chat with him after all these years! It is a small world.)[IMG]http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll197/Luxor65/EngDYna004.jpg[/IMG]

Really interested to read about your ER Dyna COB. I have one in similar condition which I have had from new since 1967. It has been gigged regularly and still looks and sounds fantastic. I bought this as part of an ER kit which I recently had renovated by Eddie Ryan. He gave the Dyna a once over and commented that it was in A1 condition. His only comment on the differences between the American drums and the English ones were that the threads on the American tension rods were better. I also bought an American late 60's COB Dyna on e-bay a few months ago in A1 as much out of curiosity than anything and have to agree that I think the English drum is better. I've always wanted a wood Dyna but never had the funds to buy one. My comments equally apply to the rest of the ER kit, The later ones with the beavertail lugs were in my opinion very well made and sound good particularly the Bass Drum. Unfortunately they have received bad press over the years which I feel is unjustified.

Incidentally what head combination do you use? I have tried several over the years and currently have an ambassador batter head and ambassador snare head (as fitted and recommended by Eddie). When I purchased the kit it was fitted with a Rogers (ambassador type) batter head and a Rogers " hazy" (diplomat type) snare head.

As to value that's an interesting point. I've personally never seen an ER Dyna on E-Bay so have no idea but consider it worth every bit as much as the American one I have. Certainly I will never sell it!

Posted on 15 years ago
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From Swivomatic

Really interested to read about your ER Dyna COB. I have one in similar condition which I have had from new since 1967. It has been gigged regularly and still looks and sounds fantastic. I bought this as part of an ER kit which I recently had renovated by Eddie Ryan. He gave the Dyna a once over and commented that it was in A1 condition. His only comment on the differences between the American drums and the English ones were that the threads on the American tension rods were better. I also bought an American late 60's COB Dyna on e-bay a few months ago in A1 as much out of curiosity than anything and have to agree that I think the English drum is better. I've always wanted a wood Dyna but never had the funds to buy one. My comments equally apply to the rest of the ER kit, The later ones with the beavertail lugs were in my opinion very well made and sound good particularly the Bass Drum. Unfortunately they have received bad press over the years which I feel is unjustified. Incidentally what head combination do you use? I have tried several over the years and currently have an ambassador batter head and ambassador snare head (as fitted and recommended by Eddie). When I purchased the kit it was fitted with a Rogers (ambassador type) batter head and a Rogers " hazy" (diplomat type) snare head.As to value that's an interesting point. I've personally never seen an ER Dyna on E-Bay so have no idea but consider it worth every bit as much as the American one I have. Certainly I will never sell it!

Hi Swivomatic. Thanks for your comments. I'll see if I can address your points.

You are right on re your ER dynasonic. It's great to talk with someone who has also had an ER accompany him through most of his life. As I understand it, most of the parts on the ER Dyna were made in England. The only parts that I don't think were made there was the snare frame, throwoff and butt end. I also think the hoops may have been shipped from Rogers USA. I believe the shell is English, lugs, the muffler is an Ajax, etc. The badge may also be US made. It is the early fat oval type badge, sans a serial number and no grommet.

My ER sounds great with an Ambassador coated batter and Amb SS as well. The original USA dynas used a diplomat weight batter and amb snare side. However, I have always thought a 60's dip head was pretty close to today's coated amb.

When you get to kits, it is a very different thing. Again, most, if not all, parts were made in England. Different shells, etc. Then it becomes very subjective. I know of a gentleman on your side of the pond who has been doing alot of ER research. I will hit you offline and put the two of you in touch.

I am probably not the best person to ask about a wood dynasonic. I have two of them (both early beavertail versions), but prefer a Powertone over the dynas. I don't want to start that whole debate here, but will say that my ER has more of a "beefy" sound to it, without sacrificing sensitivity, than the couple of COB US dynas I own. It just seems to have alot more character.

One last comment, I don't know that ER ever got a bad rap. I just think most folks don't know about them (here in the US). They are indeed a significant part of 1960's drum history.

Posted on 15 years ago
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Hi Powertone,

Thanks for the interest and info. Although I recently purchased the American Dyna I still use the ER for most of my gigs.

As far as ER's are concerned I think that we may be talking about my old mate Nutbox from this side of the pond if so we are already in touch! Met through the Rogers Forum.See my posts on the site.

Posted on 15 years ago
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From Swivomatic

Hi Powertone, As far as ER's are concerned I think that we may be talking about my old mate Nutbox from this side of the pond if so we are already in touch! Met through the Rogers Forum.See my posts on the site.

Nutbox is indeed the man! Great guy and knows his ERs!

Posted on 15 years ago
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Hi Powertone,

Thought it must be Nutbox!

Yes he sure knows his stuff on ER's.

By the way.......how do you tension the heads on your ER Dyna? The general consensus always seems to be that the bottom head should be slightly tighter than the bottom as on the American drums although Eddie Ryan who used to build the ER drums in the 60's and who renovated my 60's kit says he always tensions the top head tighter than the bottom.............!

I suppose everybody has their own opinion but what works best for you?

Posted on 15 years ago
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From Swivomatic

Hi Powertone,Thought it must be Nutbox! Yes he sure knows his stuff on ER's. By the way.......how do you tension the heads on your ER Dyna? The general consensus always seems to be that the bottom head should be slightly tighter than the bottom as on the American drums although Eddie Ryan who used to build the ER drums in the 60's and who renovated my 60's kit says he always tensions the top head tighter than the bottom.............! I suppose everybody has their own opinion but what works best for you?

I learned (back in the day) that you tighten the bottom head tighter than the top. I apply that to all my drums. That doesn't mean that I am cranking that resonant head really tight. I favor more medium tunings on most of my snares.

I am attaching this just for fun.... These are tuning recommendations that Rogers stamped on the batter heads of their early dynas.....

[IMG]http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll197/Luxor65/BUQb7yQBWkKGrHgoOKioEjlLmfBoYBKMl5K.jpg[/IMG]

Posted on 15 years ago
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Hi Powertone,

Thanks for the info. Particularly the pic of the instructions.......never seen that before!

I've always been told not to crank up the Dyna's to high so I've tended to follow that recommendation.

All the best

Posted on 15 years ago
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The USA Rogers factory spec sheet recommended tuning as 2.0 full turns above finger tight, fine tune for tone, batter side. 2.5 turns abover finger tight and fine tune for tone, snare side.

Rogers Drums Big R era 1975-1984 Dating Guide.
http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/showthread.php?t=24048
Posted on 15 years ago
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Good point Ploughman. I had forgotten about that. I haved tried that method, but always lost count of where I was on the turns. Bottom line, it sounds like more of a medium tuning, which is where I tune. I think that is where you get the most of the drum.

Posted on 15 years ago
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