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Aquamarine Premier Set Found: Value?

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I paid a visit to a small local music store today. I'm friendly with the owner. He took in an Aquamarine five piece Premier set from a woman whose late husband owned them for years. She has no idea what they are worth. The drums appear to be mid to late 60s. The finish does have some of the usual black discoloration, but it's not bad, and they will clean up nicely. Some of the tension rods are missing, but the factory tom holders were present. On a 10 scale, I'd give these drums a seven at best.

There's a badly worn fiber trap case, and most of the hardware appeared to be later MIJ pearl or Tama stuff. There were a couple of badly keyholed or cracked Zildjian cymbals, a nice newer Sabian ride, and two sets of hats, one Zildjian and the other, an old set of budget Paistes. The snare was a 70s Ludwig Supra 400 in pretty nice shape. There are also hard fiber cases for all the drums; two 8x12 racks, what appeared to be an 18" floor tom, and a 20" BD. I would have taken photos, but did not have my cell phone with me. They appear to be internationally sized, as there were Remo heads on most of the drums. If they are metric, I want no part of them for obvious reasons; too hard to get heads.

Premier experts, can you give me an idea of their worth? Premier is a brand I have virtually no experience with. The shop owner asked me to come up with an offer. I don't need the MIJ hardware or the cymbals. The store owner could sell those separately. I don't even need the Ludwig Supra, so those could be omitted. I see stupid prices for Premier drums on Reverb, and the sets sit there for months unsold.

I'm going back to the store tomorrow and really look everything over.

Posted on 6 years ago
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It's been my experience that most Premier sets don't hold their value against other quality brands.That's here in the US. And a 20" bass and 18" ft w/2 12"s? Strange configuration. A used strange dimension drum set. $350.

Posted on 6 years ago
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[QUOTE=teverson-sr;429579]It's been my experience that most Premier sets don't hold their value against other quality brands.That's here in the US. And a 20" bass and 18" ft w/2 12"s? Strange configuration. A used strange dimension drum set. $350.[/QUOTE

Yes but aquamarine....i would take the supra, the hardware and cymbals for along with the kit for $600 Are you sure that the hardware isn't Premier or Olympic?

Keep fixing them up...
Posted on 6 years ago
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Pictures of all the items would help.

Sadly, Premier, like most MIE kits don't hold a high value, compared to MIA sets. Higher them MIJ kits, but not as high as you'd probably hope for.

I got my early 70's Premier African Mahogany B303 for $500.00 CDN, so close to $400.00 USD. Mine included: 13x9, 14x8 (rare), 16x15, 16x18 (rare), 22x14, and a near mint COA 2000 snare. It also included a vintage Fibes hardware case full of vintage hardware (Lokfast, Speed king pedal, etc).

I love the vintage MIE stuff, specially Premier, but I don't buy it for flipping/profit purposes, that's for sure. One thing I've learned from vintage Premier gear, it can be super cool looking, its built amazingly well, have inventive features (for the time), unique finishes, etc etc...and it doesn't translate into $$$. The market/demand dictates that.

Enjoy the kit.

Posted on 6 years ago
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From drumfx

[QUOTE=teverson-sr;429579]It's been my experience that most Premier sets don't hold their value against other quality brands.That's here in the US. And a 20" bass and 18" ft w/2 12"s? Strange configuration. A used strange dimension drum set. $350.[/QUOTEYes but aquamarine....i would take the supra, the hardware and cymbals for along with the kit for $600 Are you sure that the hardware isn't Premier or Olympic?

We as VDF'rs appreciate the rarity of Aquamarine, like Mahogany Duroplastic. I'd up the price if it had cast rims but the 4 drums w/no hardware I'd still say around $350. No offence meant, just reality.

Posted on 6 years ago
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From Trilok_Gurtu

Pictures of all the items would help.Sadly, Premier, like most MIE kits don't hold a high value, compared to MIA sets. Higher them MIJ kits, but not as high as you'd probably hope for. I got my early 70's Premier African Mahogany B303 for $500.00 CDN, so close to $400.00 USD. Mine included: 13x9, 14x8 (rare), 16x15, 16x18 (rare), 22x14, and a near mint COA 2000 snare. It also included a vintage Fibes hardware case full of vintage hardware (Lokfast, Speed king pedal, etc). I love the vintage MIE stuff, specially Premier, but I don't buy it for flipping/profit purposes, that's for sure. One thing I've learned from vintage Premier gear, it can be super cool looking, its built amazingly well, have inventive features (for the time), unique finishes, etc etc...and it doesn't translate into $$$. The market/demand dictates that. Enjoy the kit.

THis, pretty much, unfortunately, but the value of the LM 400, Sabian ride and Zildjian hats surely adds (financial) value. Supras are only going up in value. The days of 50 buck Supra's all day long on fleabay are over. If I were in this situation I would offer 5/600, sell sellable cymbals and the Supra, easily recuperate over 1/2 your expense and enjoy restoring and playing the Premier's. Just my 2 cents. Good luck!

1964 Ludwig Champagne Super Classic
1970 Ludwig Blue Oyster Super Classic
1977 Rogers Big R Londoner 5 ebony
1972/1978 Rogers Powertone/Big R mix ebony
60's Ludwig Supersensitive
Pearl B4514 COB snare ( the SC snare)
Pearl Firecracker
PJL WMP maple snare
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Sabians, Paistes, Zildjians, Zyns, UFIPs, MIJs etc
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Posted on 6 years ago
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Thank you, gents. I might offer $300 for the four drums and skip the snare, hardware and cymbals. Not sure yet. I might offer $400 for the whole package and then flip the Supra and better cymbals. I have no need for the hardware; I have so much used hardware in my basement now, it's ridiculous.

Posted on 6 years ago
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I think the reason vintage Premier doesn't hold as much value as other American made drums is because of those, and i'm sorry for this but, the stupid weird sizes and slotted tension rods. Also, if parts are missing, you have to go through hell and back to find them, if you're lucky enough to find them. It's a shame though. They had some nice sounding drums, and had very good quality hardware. I have a Premier flat base stand that i bought used for $20 and it's still solid as rock. Only problem is, if i ever lose a screw, rubber foot, or anything else, it's garbage.. :(

Posted on 6 years ago
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From human71

I think the reason vintage Premier doesn't hold as much value as other American made drums is because of those, and i'm sorry for this but, the stupid weird sizes and slotted tension rods. Also, if parts are missing, you have to go through hell and back to find them, if you're lucky enough to find them. It's a shame though. They had some nice sounding drums, and had very good quality hardware. I have a Premier flat base stand that i bought used for $20 and it's still solid as rock. Only problem is, if i ever lose a screw, rubber foot, or anything else, it's garbage.. :(

There's some misinformation here.

Pre-international sizes are only for certain years (usually up to late 60's, and certain drums), mine are international, they fit regular heads, no issues.

I've owned pre-international kits before (John Grey Broadway, Premier), it seriously isn't that big of a deal. I ordered Remo PI heads online, got them delivered to my house, fit great, same sound, same price, same durability. Most vintage players use the same heads for YEARS.

Also, if you prefer, you can use regular size heads on pre-international drums, just use regular hoops as well, and deal with a little bit of tension rod sprawl, which I've done before, wasn't an issue at all. If you don't like the "sprawl" (anal, imo), you can shim the lugs until straight. Cheap and simple to do.

Slotted tension rods. You can literally use a quarter, flat head, etc. It was actually the reason for this design. If you lost, or don't have a normal drum key, you could change to tune your drum. Slotted drum keys are available online, easy to order. I have two, never have lost one...if I do, I'll use some change ;)

"if parts are missing, you have to go through hell and back to find them", huh? It's 2018, in the internet age it's easy to find these items, and for a fair price.

If that is still a pain, you can always swap out for normal tension rods...expect the Premier slotted tension rods are so nice looking, more then worth it, imo.

I think one of the main reasons for Premier's, and other vintage MIE's lesser value has more to do with ignorance.

Posted on 6 years ago
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Well I certainly agree with Trilok. Over here in the Uk I could mention lots of people who stock every nut and bolt tension rods hoops standard or pre international drum heads etc etc for all premier drums. Parts are not an issue and more available than you know. In my opinion probably some of the finest made and sounding drums to ever be produced through the 60's //70's.

Posted on 6 years ago
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