A buddy of mine switched from an old Ludwig kit to the Remo Acousticons. He claimed his luddy's were getting banged up while gigging. I still think the early 70's Ludwig's sound better, but, those Remo's don't sound bad on stage. When his band records, he drags out the Ludwig's. ;)

Please do post pix of them. I've read about them but never seen any.

Lest we forget Rogers Series II made from cardboard tubes...

Slingerland cut corners, but they were not the only ones in the race to kill the American Drum Companies in the 80's.

The Acousticons price is very favorable.

If you ever play one of those top of the line REMO kits, you will understand. They really do play nicely. I've always like 'em. Like I said before, I kept the snare and love it. Sweet sweet sweet.

I didn't know Rogers also did the cardboard tube thing. But what i know about Rogers can be put on the head of a pin. I've read the book, but that's about it.

I would still like to see the pix.

Not to change subjects, but trying to keep my vintage kits nice is the reason I use those Gretsch Catalina kits. The little Club kit is tiny, just right for those ity bity tiny club gigs. The Birch is, of course larger. No space saving there. But, if the kit gets dinged or scratched, it doesn't bother me as much as it would if the same happened to one of my vintage kits. I put Evans hydraulic heads on batter, and super thin reso's. It tones down the boom, gives me a nice sweet spot, and makes 'em sound nice. The snares that come with are only 'eh... I use a Ludwig 400 most of the time.

I feel the same way about the Gretsch, I have the little jazz kit and it is great for small gigs. You can get a big sound out of them if nned be.

I've owned and given away six of those Gretsch import kits (the birch and the mahogany). Nice kits for gigging. I've really enjoyed them. You might want to work those shells a bit to make them sound even better. Lightly smooth (sand) and wax the edges and either hardwax oil or tung oil the insides. GREAT improvement on them.

Not to threadjack further, but this is great to know. I'm considering buying one of these for a road gig where space is going to be a premium and I may have to leave my gear in a van overnight. I'm a little concerned about how a 12/14/18 is going to do in a rock band, but it's not going to be a full volume thing either.

I can tell you... Those little fiends are GREAT! I'll be glad to get that info from mcjnic. We'll do that as soon as I find out the details. I've used the Catalina Clubs playing jazz, a smattering of big band swing and vintage rock. As long as it's not like metal those little crates are great. Like I said, I used head changes to achieve some of the extra tone and removing some of the boom. A buddy has a set of Pacific's. I really like them better than them. Great little kits in an inexpensive price range.

I've got a little 10" Catalina that I added onto my RB kit -- I love the sound of 10" toms but didn't have the cash for a whole kit. The 10" holds up well even when I'm playing fairly loudly with the band. Great tone, and very easy to tune. Love it.