It wouldn't be worth that much, in my opinion. It looks like it hasn't been stored well. The lug screws look really rusty and the rims and lugs appear to be nickel and very oxidized.

Silver sparkle is nice, but nothing especially collectible -in terms of rare finishes or anything. That appears to be a 22" bass drum (ten lugs). 22's are not as desirable as 20's.

Missing floor tom = bad

$600.00 = No

600 seems steep, but then again, I have no idea what that snare might hold. I have a setup similar to this one. Don't fret about that floor missing. You can pick up a 14 floor on the bay for under 200. They are out there, you just have to be patient. I got mine for a bit over 100 this year. It's a Luddy Standard in outstanding condition. The LuddyDude slipped me some real honest to goodness lugs for it to match the rest of the kit. If you want a 16, even better. They are readily available. That's a neat bass and those cool bowties are the best. If you could get the bass and tom for 250, that would be good. Add on to that the value of the snare (which is the unknown variable), and you should be fine. You will love that kit. Very different from a Super Classic setup. I can't tell the condition of the wrap, but that shouldn't matter. You can always clean it up or pull it. The shells and the hardware are what makes that kit so unbelievably cool. Good luck!

Well, there you have it. Two differing opinions. Take your pick!

Drum sets, to me, fall into two categories: Collector's kits and Player's kits. I am interested in collector's stuff, so I take a different view on the value of such a kit.

When I see rusty lug screws, I think, "Improperly stored". When I see a missing floor tom to a Clubdate kit, it's not all that much of a surprise because Clubdates were budget kits and people often bought them sans the floor tom with the intention of adding it later on. That's a pretty common thing with Clubdates, actually. But, again, I, personally, wouldn't be interested in buying those sizes without a floor tom for that price. I would need to see the snare drum, too.

This kit has LOTS of undesirable traits in terms of my collecting standards. But not everyone is as picky as I am or desires the same things as I do.:2Cents:

Actually, we both said the same thing. 600 is too much. The condition is questionable. The difference is I think it could be turned into a cool kit IF the price is right. That snare is the big variable. Without the snare, 250 bucks would be good for the bass and tom, knowing you could score a floor on the bay. Nice fixer-upper.

Yes. $600.00 is too much. I'm just pointing out that you take the optimistic approach and I the pessimistic approach. I wouldn't even bother with something like that because it's too much work and expense to get everything the way I would want it. I'd rather spend $1200.00 on a perfect 20-14-12-snare Clubdate kit with the correct hardware package than I would to pay $600.00 for a marginal-condition 22-13-?snare. Some people might disagree with paying that much for a Clubdate, but I am more willing to pay for a complete one in great shape and spend the money up front as opposed to trying to find all the right pieces a piece at a time.x-mas1

I am not a collector, but just looking at the spacing on the 2 lugs I see, it looks like it could be, dare I say, a Jazz Fest? If it is, that may make it, what, a 400-500 kit, maybe, if the shells aare solid... I don't know, but if it is an easy clean, and that is a Jazz Fest, it could turn out worth it to pick it up and restore and sell it to O-Lugs...

jk O.

I tweaked the photo a little to bring out more background detail. Can anyone ID the snare?

Scott

Not really, but the snare stand looks like the right part, flat base. I can't tell, but just looking, and it is not that great of a shot, but, ehhh, it is spaced about like an 8. Like I said, I'm no expert, but I am really good a spacial relations. I hope, for your sake, it is something redeeming. Still, if the shells are solid, and all the parts are there, it can't hurt to look and then make an appropriate offer. You know your budget, and if you get him to like you first, you stand a better shot at a deal. I have been car salesman and mobile home salesman off and on for many of the last 15 years, with some home improvement thrown in for good measure.

If you go in and work straight up on a deal, you will lose. If you "break the ice", staying away from the deal at hand for at least 20 minutes, finding common ground and other interests, then slowly work around to the real reason for the visit, you stand a better chance of winning. Always work from the bottom. If you think the kit is really worth say 350, "hem-haw at 250-275, I don't know, it needs a good bit of work", after a closer examination. Then show him/her, taking the heads off, talking about the t-rods, lugs and hoops and how rusty and pitted, without making him/her feel that you are picking it apart. And examine the edges, especially if the seller is not a drummer. Remember, you are the expert vintage drum collector, and you are sharing your knowledge of the workings with them. If you see a few perfect kits around the house (or any other kits for that matter), then approach the deal by letting them know you know it is not worth anywhere close to 600.

In any event, good luck with it, I hope it is worth snagging.;)

The 60s Ludwig catalogs show a separate set called the "Combo", which was basically a Club Date sans floor tom. So I suppose in a technical sense these kits aren't even Club Dates at all. Same drums, different setup.

I picked up a 20"/12" combo set in abysmal condition on eBay for $117 a few months ago. It needed a re-wrap, the nickel hardware was filthy, the bass and tom were each missing a rim, the bass drum was missing the rail mount, the tom was missing the mounting bracket, and the t-rods were covered with rust. But I was looking for a fixer-upper and the bearing edges were in great shape, so the price was right.

As for the floor tom: if you're just looking for a player's kit, you can find a very inexpensive tenor tom or marching snare on eBay with the matching bowtie lugs. I got a 12x15" in blue sparkle for $30 sans lugs, and picked up the lugs from another eBayer for $15. The rims, heads and t-rods ran me another $60 or $70, so all told I spent about $100 on it. You could probably find one intact for the same price or better if you're willing to be patient. This would likely be cheaper than a bona fide Club Date floor tom.