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The great Bonham debate.

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From mcjnic

This is one of my all-time faves. Sometimes it's hard to breath when I focus on it. Unreal depth of groove there. That, to me, defines what jazz drumming can be. We all have goals. One of mine is to get a smile from the man behind that kit on something deep that I've slipped past him on my own kit. I understand the logistics involved in why it won't happen, but man oh man...wouldn't that be sweet.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_v7mUGoKDc

SWEEEET!

I got one for you Michael:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_n-gRS_wdI"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_n-gRS_wdI[/ame]

Posted on 14 years ago
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From Ludwig-dude

I wonder if his wife knew about this said girlfriend? LoLoLoLoLoLoLoLo

Oops.....!!

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Posted on 14 years ago
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From Ludwig-dude

On a related note, I have a cd someone burned for me with the drumtracks only from the In Through the Out Door sessions....I think I've stumbled across them on the net too.....and after being a "Bonham is God" guy for years, hearing these tracks made me think: he's really not doing anything that extraordinary. After seeing the Led Zeppelin DVD (which I own) I started thinking the same thing. Don't get me wrong either, I still love the man's playing to this day, but after actually watching and hearing the drums only, I guess I'm not as impressed as I used to be. I was able to get the "Good times bad times" bass drum triplet down years ago. Whats the trick? A Speed King pedal. Really not that hard or impressive when you do it....I never seem to get the "what was that?" or "how did you do that?" like I'm sure Bonham did at first. The older I get the harder I am to impress I guess. What impresses me more is Ringo's playing with the Beatles....some of that later stuff from the Revolver album and Strawberry Fields Forever (ya I know there are two different tracks layered over each other) is just amazingly impossible to replicate on stage correctly! And don't get me started on the cool bop era jazz greats! Cool DudeBurger Kin

Yeah, I love Bonham too, but I can work out what he's doing. The thing is, it's the imagination, how he put it together and the feel. There's been many a more technically proficient drummer over the years, but it's just his incredible feel that gives him that status. He's also managed to influence a massive cross-section of drummers too. My personal fave Bonham performance is Achilles Last Stand - he's way faster on that than this clip in question!

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Posted on 14 years ago
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From brody

Yeah, I love Bonham too, but I can work out what he's doing. The thing is, it's the imagination, how he put it together and the feel. There's been many a more technically proficient drummer over the years, but it's just his incredible feel that gives him that status. He's also managed to influence a massive cross-section of drummers too. My personal fave Bonham performance is Achilles Last Stand - he's way faster on that than this clip in question!

And lets not forget that he probably idolized Buddy Rich, Gene Krupa and other great drummers but died at the age of 32. I can only imagine how good he would have been if he was still alive especially with the head start he already had.

Posted on 14 years ago
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As far as speed, Van sure has the triplet thing wired:

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-p1gHyqhnw[/ame]

There's a point near the end where it's quite nuts, and his lessons are great although I'm not big on doing stuff where you speed up like that... I'd rather see it more about time than fills.

When I was a kid I played with a bassist named Jeff Castleman, who had worked with Duke Ellington for years. He told me that if I just thought about my time that the fills would come out automatically, and I always thought that it was great advice.

Posted on 14 years ago
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Hmmm. well looks like your all debating the debate, thats how urban legends become urban legends, just call it what it was , a typical drum solo, nothing great. just a drum solo.

Posted on 14 years ago
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From Ludwig-dude

On a related note, I have a cd someone burned for me with the drumtracks only from the In Through the Out Door sessions....I think I've stumbled across them on the net too.....and after being a "Bonham is God" guy for years, hearing these tracks made me think: he's really not doing anything that extraordinary. After seeing the Led Zeppelin DVD (which I own) I started thinking the same thing. Don't get me wrong either, I still love the man's playing to this day, but after actually watching and hearing the drums only, I guess I'm not as impressed as I used to be. I was able to get the "Good times bad times" bass drum triplet down years ago. Whats the trick? A Speed King pedal. Really not that hard or impressive when you do it....I never seem to get the "what was that?" or "how did you do that?" like I'm sure Bonham did at first. The older I get the harder I am to impress I guess. What impresses me more is Ringo's playing with the Beatles....some of that later stuff from the Revolver album and Strawberry Fields Forever (ya I know there are two different tracks layered over each other) is just amazingly impossible to replicate on stage correctly! And don't get me started on the cool bop era jazz greats! Cool DudeBurger Kin

A couple of points here In through the out door he was well on his way to ruin, he had gained alot of weight and was drinking in binges, he had dropped the 14x10 and went to a 15x12 because he simply could not get around the kit as fast as 9 years before. Yes alot of his stuff was simple BUT who had done it before him in rock? only one person and to alot less degree Carrmine Appice.. JHB, was very imaginative in he playing yet he played just time alot his fills were new to R&R, easy to do ?maybe but put yourself in his place,constant touring the presure of the biggest band in the world (at the time) and his hate for flying..and i think he did a great job if only his way of dealing with it had been different maybe we might have seen what he would have become.. Many can copy his licks in their garage or studio i want to see them do it on stage with 30,000 screaming fans 140 nights out of 200...

Posted on 14 years ago
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From who_keith_moon

Hmmm. well looks like your all debating the debate, thats how urban legends become urban legends, just call it what it was , a typical drum solo, nothing great. just a drum solo.

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Posted on 14 years ago
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It's not sped up, and also incredibly easy to do.

What Bonham does, at least IMO, is a triplet pattern.

Hand-Kick-Hand kind of thing. It's a little linear groove

that works really well to mesh into a massive explosion

of awesomeness. That's my two cents on it.

:)

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Posted on 14 years ago
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From mcjnic

This is one of my all-time faves. Sometimes it's hard to breath when I focus on it. Unreal depth of groove there. That, to me, defines what jazz drumming can be. We all have goals. One of mine is to get a smile from the man behind that kit on something deep that I've slipped past him on my own kit. I understand the logistics involved in why it won't happen, but man oh man...wouldn't that be sweet.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_v7mUGoKDc

Wow!! Was that Happy Kyne and The Mirth-Makers? Awesome!!Excited

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Posted on 14 years ago
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