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Vintage Ludwig Lug Misalignment

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Luddy Experts,

I just acquired the below pictured 1962 Pioneer snare. The rims are chrome over brass (my assumption since they are non-ferrous). The little beauty was apart when I got it. After cleaning and assembling it (with non-Ludwig tension bolts on the bottom) I noted that the holes were not lining up very well between the top rim and the lugs. Some were off to the left, some to the right. But all were able to be fastened without a problem.

I have owned Ludwigs before and never noted this problem. The lugs are securely fastened to the shell via precisely drilled holes, typical of Ludwig. Were these older rims handmade and therefore subject to inaccurate manufacture?

Thanks.

Josh

Posted on 7 years ago
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Beautiful drum. My favorite strainer. My guess is that it's the "precisely drilled" holes that are mis-located & that the hoops are fine. Try the hoops on another shell. Measure lug locations. Let us know......marko

Posted on 7 years ago
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If the shell got placed on the drilling jig a hair crooked they would not have rejected the shell but finished it off and shipped it out. Being a Pioneer it was most likely destined for a grade school kid anyway. Ludwig was making their own hoops at the time so it's possible they could get a bit off as well.

It was a noisy dirty factory environment populated by folks just doing their jobs . I love Ludwig drums, especially from that era, but the mental picture of fine craftsmen meticulously crafting individual drums wasn't the reality. The drums weren't all perfectly crafted but they do all seem to sound great. They are built to a much higher standard today...because they have to be.

Posted on 7 years ago
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From K.O.

If the shell got placed on the drilling jig a hair crooked they would not have rejected the shell but finished it off and shipped it out. Being a Pioneer it was most likely destined for a grade school kid anyway. Ludwig was making their own hoops at the time so it's possible they could get a bit off as well. It was a noisy dirty factory environment populated by folks just doing their jobs . I love Ludwig drums, especially from that era, but the mental picture of fine craftsmen meticulously crafting individual drums wasn't the reality. The drums weren't all perfectly crafted but they do all seem to sound great. They are built to a much higher standard today...because they have to be.

Yet we covet them. Okay, thanks for the input fellas. The drum tunes up just fine. I’ll take a whack at playing it tomorrow.

Posted on 7 years ago
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I have an early 80's Ludwig snare drum in which the hoops and lugs didn't line up properly. Had a extra pair of single flange hoops and clips on hand. Did the trick!

Mike

Posted on 7 years ago
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From jmcohen

Luddy Experts,I just acquired the below pictured 1962 Pioneer snare. The rims are chrome over brass (my assumption since they are non-ferrous). The little beauty was apart when I got it. After cleaning and assembling it (with non-Ludwig tension bolts on the bottom) I noted that the holes were not lining up very well between the top rim and the lugs. Some were off to the left, some to the right. But all were able to be fastened without a problem.I have owned Ludwigs before and never noted this problem. The lugs are securely fastened to the shell via precisely drilled holes, typical of Ludwig. Were these older rims handmade and therefore subject to inaccurate manufacture?ThanksJosh

That`s an easy one.

The batter hoop don`t belong to the drum,

Note the splay on the top tension rods, the holes are further out on the ears of the hoop. Snare hoops have to stay snare hoops and yours belong. Note, no splay.

It`s a drum,.....Hit It !!

.....76/#XK9207 Phonic Sound Machine D454/D-505 snares !i
Posted on 7 years ago
#6
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Oddball,

A tom hoop has the holes further from the drum?? I never would have thought of that.

Well, the drum seems to work just fine. I’ll use it with my ‘58 Rogers set until a good match for the blue sparkle Rogers comes along. I figure 4 years age difference still puts them in the same peer class.

Posted on 7 years ago
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I agree with Oddball.. The top hoop is not the same as the bottom, hence the

misalignment.. Bottom one looks original and perfect to me..Someone might have

a period correct original Ludwig hoop up here and can help you out with that.

Cheers,

Rob

Posted on 7 years ago
#8
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From jmcohen

Oddball,A tom hoop has the holes further from the drum?? I never would have thought of that.Well, the drum seems to work just fine. I’ll use it with my ‘58 Rogers set until a good match for the blue sparkle Rogers comes along. I figure 4 years age difference still puts them in the same peer class.

Not sure about tom hoops differences but, that hoop does.

It`s a drum,.....Hit It !!

.....76/#XK9207 Phonic Sound Machine D454/D-505 snares !i
Posted on 7 years ago
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I don't think there is any thing wrong with the top hoop, take a look at whole drum, the two out side lugs look to be tapered in at bottom, same deal with the strainer, tapered in at bottom, the pic is showing drum as a cone shape for some reason. smaller at bottom.

I would take the bottom hoop and see how it fits on top just to check it out.

Posted on 7 years ago
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