Hey Guys,
Picked up this cymbal a while ago and wonder if folks can help me identify the vintage please?
I originally thought it was from the 70's but after looking at the different sites for Zildjian stamps I guess I'm not sure.
It is a 20" and weighs 2860 grams.
The sound is a little too bright and ringing for me. Oh, and of course the keyhole.
I do not think it is a great find or anything, just curious.
Thanks
Wes
I just posted this thread from my phone. I got on my computer to see how the pics looked and noticed the thread right before this one is almost exactly the same thing. What are the odds?!
If this cymbal is of the same vintage, no need to go into details already covered on that thread.
Thanks,
Wes
I just posted this thread from my phone. I got on my computer to see how the pics looked and noticed the thread right before this one is almost exactly the same thing. What are the odds?!If this cymbal is of the same vintage, no need to go into details already covered on that thread.Thanks,Wes
Are you sure about the weight and size? 2850g is unusually heavy for a 20" cymbal. Usually a heavy 20" ride would max out at around 2500g or so.
Are you sure about the weight and size? 2850g is unusually heavy for a 20" cymbal.
The cymbal definitely feels heavy but I though the weight seemed high. I weighed it on my kitchen scale so it is probably not the most accurate. I'll try taking it somewhere else to get it weighed.
Wes
I just posted this thread from my phone. I got on my computer to see how the pics looked and noticed the thread right before this one is almost exactly the same thing. What are the odds?!If this cymbal is of the same vintage, no need to go into details already covered on that thread.Thanks,Wes
The stamp on yours is the 1.5" tall version of the 1960s stamp (60s tall) rather then the 60s short in that other thread. I picked that up from the quirks in the way it is pressed in, but that's not as accurate as just measuring the height. Since you also measured yours that confirms a 1.5" 60s Tall Stamp. This doesn't make a difference to expected value, but I do try and distinguish them for research purposes because there is a theory about the 1.5" tall version being later 60s. This theory predicts certain correlations with other cymbal attributes.
And yes that weight is unusually high but not impossible. The top five weights I've got recorded in my database are: 2680g, 2720g, 2740g, 2786g, 3134g. Some of my highest recorded weights might also be kitchen scale or similar weights, and sometimes I pick up errors in converting pounds and ounces to grams (when people give both). Once I've got enough weights for a particular production era, model, and diameter, I can start to trim out exceptional weights (statistical outliers) when I do statistical modelling.
Thank you for the detailed information Zenstat!
Wes
The stamp on yours is the 1.5" tall version of the 1960s stamp (60s tall) rather then the 60s short in that other thread. I picked that up from the quirks in the way it is pressed in, but that's not as accurate as just measuring the height. Since you also measured yours that confirms a 1.5" 60s Tall Stamp. This doesn't make a difference to expected value, but I do try and distinguish them for research purposes because there is a theory about the 1.5" tall version being later 60s. This theory predicts certain correlations with other cymbal attributes. And yes that weight is unusually high but not impossible. The top five weights I've got recorded in my database are: 2680g, 2720g, 2740g, 2786g, 3134g. Some of my highest recorded weights might also be kitchen scale or similar weights, and sometimes I pick up errors in converting pounds and ounces to grams (when people give both). Once I've got enough weights for a particular production era, model, and diameter, I can start to trim out exceptional weights (statistical outliers) when I do statistical modelling.
Ok. So I had the cymbal weighed at the post office. 6 pounds 4.5 ounces so my kitchen scale is surprisingly accurate. I measured the cymbal to verify it is a 20".
Wes
I have the same cymbal. A heavy 60's 20". Has a ton of wash. Sounds very much like a 70's Rock 21 I have.
I had a old A 20 once that weighed 16??.....super thin!
