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6 lugs = Pioneer

8 lugs = Jazz Fest

It appears to be a Jazz Fest from what I can see.

Yep.......

Thanks O-Lugs!!

2 legs = good

4 legs = bad

The snare is date stamped 1962. The 2nd tom is date stamped 1967 and has serial number 460677. The bass drum has no serial number and is not painted on the inside. The 1st tom has the serial number 7744 but no date stamp. The floor tom has serial number 20595 no date stamp.

It's possible this is a pieced together kit but after reading some of the info here I've found that in the 60s Ludwig had no system for cycling their stock. New stock was just atacked in front of old stock and drums could sit on the back of the shelf for years before being used on a kit.

BM

Well....There was some organization to the system that Ludwig used in the 60's. It's highly unlikely that a factory-issued kit would have had that much disparity in the numbers and dates. It's much more likely that it was pieced together. Nonetheless, the gold sparkle Jazz Festival snare drum is worth more, by itself, than what you paid for everything.

Yepper........

Here's the info I found here.

To understand the cause of discrepancies, let’s go back in time to the Ludwig factory of the 1960’s. The manufacturing division at Ludwig was divided into two basic departments: the wood shop and final assembly. Shells were constructed, wrapped in mylar, and date stamped in the wood shop. Then the shells were drilled and hardware, heads and badges were installed in final assembly.

The date stamp didn’t determine when a shell would be sent to assembly. "It was it’s size and finish," Mr. Ludwig explained. "The shells were made in advance of the orders coming in. Sometimes we had thousands of undrilled shells all stacked up on shelves. When assembly needed a certain size shell in a particular finish, it was pulled from the shelf and sent off to them. We didn’t pay any attention to the date stamps and if a shell wasn’t needed to fill an order, it stayed on the shelf for days, weeks or months – sometimes years.

Due to the time lapse between when a shell was date stamped and when the badge was installed, some of the drums assembled on the same day with closely matching serial numbers had date stamps that were months apart from one another It also meant that some of the drums with production date stamps close to one another, would have badges with serial numbers that were tens of thousands of digits apart.

Further adding to the creation of discrepancies was Ludwig’s method of storing, retrieving and installing badges. Mr. Ludwig explained, "Most of the time when a new shipment of badges came in from our manufacturer, we still had a few boxes of them left in stock, so we just stacked the new boxes in together with the old ones. When assembly needed more badges, we just took any box at random and put it on the assembly bench. We didn’t try to keep the boxes in order or try to install badges in order by serial numbers. Our main concern was to keep things moving.".

Since there wasn’t any system of stock rotation whereby the boxes were used in the order received, I asked Mr. Ludwig about the probability of a leftover box or two stagnating for months at the bottom of a stack. Mr. Ludwig replied, "I would say in all likelihood that’s just what happened." At a production rate of about 11,000 drums per month, it meant that for each month that passed, the serial numbers on the unused badges inside of a stagnant box would fall 11,000 digits behind the progressing sequence of serial numbers. After a period of time, when the stagnant box was opened and the badges went back in circulation, the serial numbers on those badges would naturally be out of sequence with the others. For example, when a badge that was out of circulation for three months was eventually installed on a drum, its serial number would be lower than, and discrepant to, the more current badges being installed, by an amount of 33,000 digits. Refilling the assemblers’ badge bins was also a source of a limited amount of discrepancies. Since the bins were not always completely empty before being refilled, some badges remained at the bottom, stagnating there for a period of time before finally being used.

BM