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Anyone ever see this Zildjian Ink Stamp Before?

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Greetings,

Saw this at a local music store. It is a hollow ink era Zildjian, but I've never seen that type of stamp or "font" before.

It is in fact a 21" Rock Ride (I measured just to be sure). Even though it's key holed pretty good, it sounded nice and would be a cool addition to my collection. Sadly, it was recently traded in and the store couldn't sell it for 10 more days. I guess it has a 15 day hold in case it's stolen or something. I was out of town, so I'm not in the local area of the store, so coming back in 10 days is not an option. Bummer.

Just curious to see if anyone has ever seen that style ink stamp on a Zildjian before. I'll be anxiously awaiting zenstat to chime in on this one.

Thanks,

V

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Posted on 7 years ago
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I had one a few years ago. Are you referring to the "Rock 21" font? If so, that's how that model was stamped back in the 70s and maybe into the early 80s, if I recall correctly.

Lynn

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Posted on 7 years ago
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21 Rock Ride for sure. Have heard nothing but good comments on these.

Posted on 7 years ago
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From SlingerLynn

I had one a few years ago. Are you referring to the "Rock 21" font? If so, that's how that model was stamped back in the 70s and maybe into the early 80s, if I recall correctly.Lynn

Thanks Lynn. I am intrigued by this one because I also have a 21" Rock Ride from the same hollow ink era, and the one I currently have follows protocol, meaning that it's just stamped "Rock Ride" on top in the standard, block letter font, with the hollow Zildjian ink stamp underneath.

Intriguing for sure.

Posted on 7 years ago
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That fancy font was 1976. Bicentennial ink. There are rides, crashes, and hats with that sort of ink on them. Stickers for the hats also. I've got photos of them all but I haven't yet got to putting them up in a full gallery of ink. Here is the range plus two of the ads. SOCKO!

*edit in 2020*

The 1976 year for that flyer turns out to be inaccurate. The publication year on that flyer is October 1974 and the ad campaign isn't specific to 1976. See:

http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/showthread.php?p=460426#post460426

in a similar vein since 2017 no pre 1978 hollow ink Zildjian cymbals have come to light. That doesn't mean one won't appear some day, but in the last three years all the leads I've followed up haven't produced a cymbal with quality provenance.

*edit in 2020*

[img]http://black.net.nz/avedis/images/rock-hats-1976-ad.jpg[/img]

[img]http://black.net.nz/avedis/images/Rock-hats-sticker.png[/img]

[img]http://black.net.nz/avedis/images/Rock-Ride-ink.png[/img]

[img]http://black.net.nz/avedis/images/Rock-Crash-ink.png[/img]

[img]http://black.net.nz/avedis/images/rock21-1976-ad-2.jpg[/img]

Posted on 7 years ago
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Oh, I forgot to mention that there are 3 distinct models from that era:

20" Rock Ride

21" Rock Ride

Rock 21

I've shown one of the Rock Rides in my ink example, but the ad is for the Rock 21. The one you found and documented is a Rock 21. I'm not sure if I've got a Rock 21 in the Bicentennial ink in my files so with permission I'll add your images to by collection. (edit: turns out I did have one but yours is a better image)

And if anybody happens to have a scan of a 1976 ad for the Rock Crash that would complete the set. [img]http://black.net.nz/misc/broccoli.gif[/img]

Posted on 7 years ago
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From zenstat

Oh, I forgot to mention that there are 3 distinct models from that era:20" Rock Ride21" Rock RideRock 21I've shown one of the Rock Rides in my ink example, but the ad is for the Rock 21. The one you found and documented is a Rock 21. I'm not sure if I've got a Rock 21 in the Bicentennial ink in my files so with permission I'll add your images to by collection. (edit: turns out I did have one but yours is a better image)And if anybody happens to have a scan of a 1976 ad for the Rock Crash that would complete the set. [img]http://black.net.nz/misc/broccoli.gif[/img]

Permission gladly granted, zenstat!

Is it safe to assume that we can trace the "hollow Ink" era officially back to 76? I was always under the impression that they started around 77 with the hollow ink. Were the only 76 hollow ink models the fancy font Rock bicentennials and the rest of the normal models followed later in 77?

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I bought a new Rock 21 while on the road in Shreveport, LA. in 1976. One of the things I liked about the cymbal was the oversize bell.

Posted on 7 years ago
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From vyacheslav

Permission gladly granted, zenstat! Is it safe to assume that we can trace the "hollow Ink" era officially back to 76? I was always under the impression that they started around 77 with the hollow ink. Were the only 76 hollow ink models the fancy font Rock bicentennials and the rest of the normal models followed later in 77?

*edit in 2020*

The 1976 year for that flyer turns out to be inaccurate. The publication year on that flyer is October 1974 and the ad campaign isn't specific to 1976. See:

http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/showthread.php?p=460426#post460426

in a similar vein since 2017 no pre 1978 hollow ink Zildjian cymbals have come to light. That doesn't mean one won't appear some day, but in the last three years all the leads I've followed up haven't produced a cymbal with quality provenance.

*edit in 2020*

We know the ad campaign was 1976 because some of the ads are dated. We believe that some (most?) of the cymbals produced in 1976 would have the Bicentennial ink. But we also know that Zildjian start production a year before they are released so they have them in stock ready to ship (pers comm. Paul Francis). We also know that during some periods the ink and trademark stamp were added when the cymbal was selected from the vault to fill an order, not when it was hammered and lathed (pers comm. Paul Francis). I don't have a "date of last use" for the Bicentennial ink stamps so they might have been used in 1977 or later. It's hard to be sure about that sort of thing because "year purchased new in a retail shop" is sometimes a later year than "date of last use in factory".

The Rock Hats (14", 15"), Rock Ride (20", 21") and Rock Crash (16"-19") all started in 1973 so they will have ink appropriate to that period. I'm not sure whether the Rock 21 was around before the 1976 Bicentennial campaign. And after the Bicentennial campaign all the Rock cymbals reverted to the ink which was the standard for the 80s -- or maybe late 70s followed by the 80s? Again it depended on how long the Bicentennial ink was used in the factory.

There is some evidence that the hollow Zildjian ink on the bottom was in use before 1977. The official years given by Zildjian are

Open (aka Hollow) ink Zildjian on bottom: 1978-1982

Solid black ink Zildjian: late 1982

but I've heard from a few trusted sources that they are sure they purchased cymbals with the Hollow Ink Zildjian in 1976.

All of which is why I always say "remember there is a ±2 after any year because we can't really get things more accurate than that".

Posted on 7 years ago
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