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The Other Half of the Score

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OK, everyone that has a Japanese kit should have one of these for that chrome drum sound, and WOW what a sound. This is one nice little drum. Little Red turned out pretty good after the extensive restoration job I did last night. Now, I just need to spend a little time dialing it in.

Now, on to the next part of this sweet deal. It totaled 36.00 for both drums, including shipping. Little Red, and Big Chrome. This is the infamous Made In Japan chrome snare. I see a lot of these around, I think Pappy has one in his collection as well. I am not sure which of the "legendary" snares this is supposed to be a copy of, but it sounds TIGHT! This one, and I kid you not, would qualify for a museum piece, if there was such a thing for these knock-offs. Let us consider the age of these MIJ labels. Most of these round badges, I have found, are early to mid 70's. I'm talking about this particular badge, not the over all MIJ line up, of which more than 50% can be traced back to the Star factory. As for this one, I am unsure as to it's origin. But it is a quality drum. It has heavy hardware, plastic washers to isolate the lugs, I mean this is a very well built drum, and it looks as though it came right out of the 70's and landed on my couch. And it has an AWESOME sound. Dare I say, it compares to some very well known Ludwigs, Acrolite among them, and more sought after names as well. I know some of you will laugh at these statements, but let me tell you, grab one, tune it up with your favorite heads and snare wires and give it a crack or three and see if I speak with forked tongue...The Band

As I began to gather my restoration tools, I decided to first pull the top head. It is a good thing I did, as it saved me some time. All this drum required was some glass cleaner and very light elbow grease to make it shine. I cannot begin to tell you guys how impressed I am with this drum, and happy I am the seller was not overly zealous in his description. Noone else bid on it, and I took it for a song. For the money, this is a dream machine. just make sure to look for this badge. And finding one in mint condition is a bonus, especially for $18.00.

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Posted on 15 years ago
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Nice catch!

I own a Star 'Kingbeat' Snare Drum with quite similar, no: equal (!), features like yours:

- same lugs (also 10 in total),

- a so called 'One touch tone control' (internal damper),

- also a very heavy sheel weight,

- nearly same shape of the sheel with two creases inside (in mine you can see further vertical creases between the two horizontal ones),

- but your snare strainer is a cheaper version, which was also available at Star (mine has the parallel strainer).

So your's is just missing the Star badge ...

To me it's still a miracle that Star appeared (= I'm NOT sure about this!) to offer drums under other badges sometimes - but often these other badges in turn represented, at some other drums, features that definitely weren't be used at Star drums ...

This is my experience and I guess it only happened in USA. I am from Germany and here those other badges ('Made in Japan'/round badge, Apollo, Lido, Artist, Mercury, Werco, etc.) never appeared on the market.

So your snare drum can have the roots at Star ... or not ...

Ralf

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Posted on 14 years ago
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From Ralf

Nice catch!I own a Star 'Kingbeat' Snare Drum with quite similar, no: equal (!), features like yours:- same lugs (also 10 in total),- a so called 'One touch tone control' (internal damper),- also a very heavy sheel weight,- nearly same shape of the sheel with two creases inside (in mine you can see further vertical creases between the two horizontal ones),- but your snare strainer is a cheaper version, which was also available at Star (mine has the parallel strainer).Ralf

Thanks Ralf. Mine is also very heavy, and I wish it had that strainer. Even so, this little drum sounds freakin' amazing, especially considering I paid like $18.00 USD. You know, these guys, some of them, are missing out on a good, no, a great drum for very little money. I know they truly believe these are inferior quality, but this is a quality instrument. I just can't describe how this snare sounds. It is loud, yet very sensitive, meatier than an Acro, and just tunes any way you like it.I honestly would compare it to a 400 with P-85,Yes Sir or any comparable set-up. Someone was truly gunning for a spot in the limelight, but just did not put the right badge on it, nor did they put enough energy into selling it. I have set down low, it rumbles- torqued it up really tight, and it cuts like a razor!

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"I enjoy restoring 60s Japanese "stencil" drums...I can actually afford them..."I rescue the worst of the old valueless drums for disadvantaged Children and gladly accept donations of parts, pieces and orphans, No cockroaches, please...
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Posted on 14 years ago
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[COLOR="DarkRed"]I used to have a 10-lug Whitehall (Pearl stencil) snare which was very heavy. It was a good sounding metal snare....so I am with you.....they made some good, quality old metal snares once in a while....

Jonni....the lugs on yours are baffling me...can you post a shot of the drum in daylight ? Because, in these pics, it almost looks like the lugs have a concave shape to the casings.....but it may just be the light and reflection I am seeing....

Ralf..wow...I have never seen an old Japanese strainer system like that before....[/COLOR]

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Posted on 14 years ago
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From Jaye

[COLOR="DarkRed"]I used to have a 10-lug Whitehall (Pearl stencil) snare which was very heavy. It was a good sounding metal snare....so I am with you.....they made some good, quality old metal snares once in a while....Jonni....the lugs on yours are baffling me...can you post a shot of the drum in daylight ? Because, in these pics, it almost looks like the lugs have a concave shape to the casings.....but it may just be the light and reflection I am seeing....Ralf..wow...I have never seen an old Japanese strainer system like that before....[/COLOR]

1). I missed this part of the discussion, I was gushing like a proud daddy.flowers2 Mine is 8 lugs.

2) It is a heavy drum, weighing in about 10 lbs. according to the bath scale.

3) You are correct about the lug design. I have never seen these before, let alone on a MIJ design. Very well manufactured lugs. These were obviously engineered, designed, * and cast to take some serious tension. (*Yes, I did say it. These are not just copies of someone else's stuff, they have engineers in Japan.)

Please see the pics. I did nothing to this baby other than rub off the little bit of fingerprints and grime. It looks as though someone took about 20 lessons on it and put it in a box, never to see daylight again. Look guys, I am not smokin' crack. If you run across this exact drum, using these pictures as reference, and you get a shot at it for $50.00 (in this condition) or less, do yourself a favor. BUY IT! I don't think you will regret it. I don't know about the rest of the pack, but I can tell you 99% of the chrome jobs out there from these types of snares just look like crap, so I can imagine they sound like it too. Not so with this particular one. Use these pix for reference if you think you might want to give one a try. As for the cost, most of us can afford to at least try one out for this amount, and if you don't like it, put back up on CL or the bay, or donate it to your local HS, they will take it, and give to a student who otherwise could not join the band. I got soooo lucky in mine, paid 9.95+s&h on eBay. For a snare to use in situations where you want a steely, but are not so sure you want to take your $700 Supra (Or similar high dollar steely) out, this would make a great substitute, IMO. Poppy has one of these in his collection, ask him if he has messed with it much. If he is willing to sell, you may get lucky. His is in this condition as well. I think hearing from another member who has been around longer, and has a tad more credibility than me, may make a difference to some of you. I am saying this out of humility, so please understand what I mean in this statement.

As for heads, this one still has the original Remo SoundMasters top and bottom, in almost new condition. I have not tried any other heads, so it may sound even better with Emperors, or Ambassadors, or whatever your favorite steel heads are. All I'm saying is WOW, this was a seriously unexpected find. I just wanted a chrome MIJ to make my "collection" well rounded, I was not even close to expecting what I got.

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"I enjoy restoring 60s Japanese "stencil" drums...I can actually afford them..."I rescue the worst of the old valueless drums for disadvantaged Children and gladly accept donations of parts, pieces and orphans, No cockroaches, please...
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Posted on 14 years ago
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@ Jaye: you're astonishing me now ...

This strainer became more famous with the follow-up series by Tama,

called KingBeat, too, and also had this 'Star' logo printed into the parallel strainer metal.

Pic of my snare (from the original Star catalogue I still possess) below (left side).

And: the lugs are NOT unique, but copies of Sonor! Pic on the right side

(taken from the Sonor museum website, I hope that the copyright is not

breached ... otherwise I will take the pic off and set the link).

Greetings - Ralf

Vintage STAR (= Pre-Tama) website: www.star-drums.de
Posted on 14 years ago
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From Ralf

@ Jaye: you're astonishing me now ...This strainer became more famous with the follow-up series by Tama,called KingBeat, too, and also had this 'Star' logo printed into the parallel strainer metal.Pic of my snare (from the original Star catalogue I still possess) below (left side).And: the lugs are NOT unique, but copies of Sonor! Pic on the right side(taken from the Sonor museum website, I hope that the copyright is notbreached ... otherwise I will take the pic off and set the link).Greetings - Ralf

Thanks Ralf!!! I had no idea this was a Sonor copy. I am not too familiar with Sonor drums. So now I have an answer to what the copy is for this drum. My Majestic kit is a copy of either a Ludwig Downbeat, 20-12-14, or an early Ludwig Hollywood with 20-12-12-14, because it has both 12s.

I have a "little red rocket" single ply Japanese snare (ca. 69-70) that is a copy of a 50s-60s Radio King, and now a great copy of a Sonor Steely!

You know, so far with the Japanese drums I have picked up, I have had good luck. I have picked up some really good snares, and a couple of really nice toms. The bass is also coming along, finally. It got a new pedal, and it is now singing like a little old church lady. As soon as I get a new head for it, it should really kick!

"Ignorance may be overcome through education. Stupidity, however, is a lifelong endeavor." So, educate me, I don't likes bein' ignant...
"I enjoy restoring 60s Japanese "stencil" drums...I can actually afford them..."I rescue the worst of the old valueless drums for disadvantaged Children and gladly accept donations of parts, pieces and orphans, No cockroaches, please...
http://www.youtube.com/user/karstenboy
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Posted on 14 years ago
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[COLOR="DarkRed"]Jonni....thanks for those pics...I have actually seen those sorta lugs before...unfortunately, they are in a bin at Sam Adato's Drum Shop...so their provenance is indeterminate. :( I was hoping I had seen 'em on an actual drum....

But that's a cool snare drum for sure.

Ralf....most of my Japanese stencil experience is with Pearls...

...seriously...in the 20+ Japanese kits I have renovated here, I think 2 of 'em were Star/Tama...the rest, Pearl-made, little doubt. So, nope, I had never seen a Japanese drum with a system like that before....Nor have I ever seen a Sonor drum with those lugs...Although it doesn't surprise me that in the '60's, a Japanese company would have copied 'em. After all, they copied Slingy, Rogers, Gretsch lugs among others, so why not Sonor as well ?

Old Sonors, while prevalent in Germany...are almost nonexistent in my neck of the woods....nor are they a brand I seek out, usually....it's fair to say they are the major vintage brand I have the least familiarity with....[/COLOR]

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Posted on 14 years ago
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Jaye - don't get me wrong.

I hope you understand that I never intended to affront you.

That's for sure.

I enjoy this forum too much than make mischief here.

This just as a clarification.

I guess this different experiences (mine is very poor on Pearl's)

make this forum just to what it is.

Greetings from Germany!

Ralf

Vintage STAR (= Pre-Tama) website: www.star-drums.de
Posted on 14 years ago
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"I enjoy restoring 60s Japanese "stencil" drums...I can actually afford them..."I rescue the worst of the old valueless drums for disadvantaged Children and gladly accept donations of parts, pieces and orphans, No cockroaches, please...
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Posted on 14 years ago
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