Ive been looking for a vintage kit, Ive narrowed my search between 2 drum brands really, for Gretsch i like the 1950-60s round badge kits, i dont know the difference between the progressive jazz and name band but id like to, and for Rogers a 1964-65 Cleveland era Rogers Holiday kit im told is the cream of the crop. I want to record with one of the 2 kits and i wanted to know which kit is better suited sound-wise for my genre of modern hard rock/classic rock. If you could tell me your opinions on the 2 and why one is better than the other that would be greatly appreciated. Thankyou!
Gretsch or Rogers
You can see catalog cuts of the Progressive Jazz and Name Band outfits using the link at the top of this website for Partner Websites, Vintage Drum Guide and then the Gretsch catalogs. Essentially, Progressive Jazz was a 20,12,14 layout that came initially with a shallow snare drum - 4 -inch. Name Band a 22, 13, 16 layout with a 5-1/2 snare.
I don't know about either for hard rock. I would think in that venue you'd want larger drums and more drums overall, but it's not an area I familiar with. For classic rock, I this the Gretsch Name Band would be pretty good, but for my ear would turn to Rogers out of those two choices, and I would be comfortable with either size range depending on whether or not you want something with a bit higher of bit lower pitch. As for the Progressive Jazz, it may be better left for its intended target.
Oh, and PS - add this wherever it's missing "'m" from my response. I'm amazed how often that happens even when I'm watching for it. I must be getting old.
Rogers. To me they're just better all round, unless as Dan says you're actually playing progressive jazz. :) I had a Gretsch 13 16 22 kit for a bunch of rock touring and it choked more than once on different stages and different rooms. Got a set of 70s Ludwigs and it never happened again. Love my Club Dates but if I had the scratch [and I will!] Cleveland era Rogers would be the ticket.
Mitch
I say go with the Rogers, Better build, better looking designs and you can dial them in to Jazz, Not sure anything Grestch can sound Rock.
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Don't forget for rock Mitch Mitchell used as did Garry Peterson of the Guess who Gretsch drums, I can name many more.
Don't forget for rock Mitch Mitchell used as did Garry Peterson of the Guess who Gretsch drums, I can name many more.
Mitch,...He rocked on his keystones,...no punch on a Gretsch....
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Listen to the so great Rocking Gretsch try`n to be Rock sound.....
He brought the wrong kit for outside.... in my opinion of course.
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If you listen real hard, you might hear that kick........
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Both brands have a better usable tuning range than Luddy and Sling of that era IMO.
I have a Cleveland Rogers,never tuned it for Bop,but it tunes high pretty well.Gretsch drums have a great rep for high bop tunings,they keep low end and sound big at Bop tuning.
I think the brands have a different feel because the G has die cast hoops.
If you are playing rock and having to gig your kit I think the Rogers would be better because of the build quality and functionality of the hardware.Some of the Round badge G drums have oversizes diameter shells which can make it tough to install heads esp the wrapped kits.
A round badge G kit in good condition with original functional hardware will set you back money wise more than a Rogers.
A 20 12 14 ft "Jazz kit" will cost more with both brands because of the 14 ft.
For Cleveland era Rogers the most common and affordable config will be a 20 12 16 ft. 22 Basses are much more uncommon for the Cleveland era.
Welcome to the forum by the way.
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