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From Ludwig-dude

Sorry, but to me (and many others) they aren't worth the time and effort. They are cheap luan shells with cheap hardware, that even after much reworking they still sound sub-par. They are nothing more than a conversation piece. After you're done "restoring" them all that they will be good for is looking at. Drums are made for playing in my book, not just looking at. Cheap toy drums are just that....no matter how old they are or who made them. Hey may be collectible, but still worth nothing (just because its collectible doesn't mean its valuable, there is a difference)....the trash was the best place for them IMO. You could always cut them at the seam, steam bend them flat again and make a door out of them.....the only useful thing for luan.....

Ok, this is just plain ridiculous... This set, once restored, should sound pretty friggin' good! It looks like all the original reso hoops are there, so the bearing edges on the reso sides should be fine. The main problem for these old kits is that they lose the reso hoops over the years and the reso edges got seriously damaged when stored or transported. Also, with all the options and advances in drum heads, these drums can sound better than they did when they were new.

As was mentioned above, giving the bearding edges a quick sanding with 220 grit sand paper (by hand) should help quite a bit. Then clean up the hoops with WD-40, or, if they are really rusty, 0000 steel wool. Clean the tension rods by soaking them in Dawn and warm water for a day or 2 then scrub with a scotch-brite pad.

Then I'd recommend throwing some Powerstroke 3 heads (batter and reso) on the bass drum and coated ambassador heads (or maybe even emperors on the batter sides) on the toms and snare. (I use a single drop of 3 in 1 oil on the tips of the tension rods for lubrication, works great.) Fix it up like that and I'll bet you'd be pretty pleased with the sound.

And for FREE?!?! A set like this, with the matching snare and all reso hoops intact, could go for $150-300 on ebay or Craigslist. No, it wont measure up to a classic Ludwig/Rogers/Slingerland set, but for FREE (or a fraction of the cost for those of us who actually BUY these things) you will have a nice, respectable vintage set for just a little bit of work and the cost of new heads. It wont just be collectable, but a good playing set as well. I know, I played an old stencil set at band practice about 5 hours ago (although, admittedly, I did use a 60s supraphonic snare...) Point is, these old sets aren't garbage, and I'm glad you had the foresight to pick it up and give it a good home. I hope you get it fixed up and enjoy it.

Posted on 15 years ago
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I'm sorry, but I just can't see the time and effort being wasted on an old Pearl set. Just my opinion I guess. Too me thats like restoring a Hyundai or a Yugo....why bother?? Its still not worth anything and it is far from cool.....

I'd rather spend time restoring drums that sound good to begin with like Ludwig/Rogers/Grestch/Slingerland or my latest some Leedy & Ludwigs.....Soap Box

Posted on 15 years ago
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From Ludwig-dude

I'm sorry, but I just can't see the time and effort being wasted on an old Pearl set. Just my opinion I guess. Too me thats like restoring a Hyundai or a Yugo....why bother?? Its still not worth anything and it is far from cool.....I'd rather spend time restoring drums that sound good to begin with like Ludwig/Rogers/Grestch/Slingerland or my latest some Leedy & Ludwigs.....Soap Box

The comparison to a Hyundai is pretty apt... you can fix up an old Pearl kit and get years of mileage on it for a very small amount of money... And I still find the idea of taking something that seems like junk and making it usable, dare I say desirable, very appealing.

I'd love to find an old classic American drum set and restore it, but with the internet, anyone can find out what their set is worth, so finding an old Lud/Sling/Rogers set for less than $500 is becoming very, very difficult. For me, at the prices I can afford right now, my only ticket into the vintage arena is a Japanese set. And I'd still rather play a vintage stencil set than a newer Pearl export set. Just my opinion, though...

Posted on 15 years ago
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From Jaye

If you find the floor tom is sounding dead, replace the existing rubber feet with newer, thicker, wider feet...it'll isolate the drum from the floor more and make it sound the way it was supposed to. For some reason those straight legs with the old-school pushbutton thru-brackets really could kill the resonance on these shells.

Interesting!

Jaye, I've always found that my 1950s 16" round badge floor tom sounded a little dead. It's got Gladstone-style leg mounts, and the legs have no rubber feet--just pure metal touching the floor. Do you think adding wide rubber feet to the legs would improve the sound?

Thanks!

Kits:
1950s Gretsch Name Band in Midnight Blue Pearl (13/16/22/14sn)
1965/66 Ludwig Club Dates rewrapped in Black Diamond Pearl (12/15/20)
Posted on 15 years ago
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From cn679

The comparison to a Hyundai is pretty apt... you can fix up an old Pearl kit and get years of mileage on it for a very small amount of money... And I still find the idea of taking something that seems like junk and making it usable, dare I say desirable, very appealing.I'd love to find an old classic American drum set and restore it, but with the internet, anyone can find out what their set is worth, so finding an old Lud/Sling/Rogers set for less than $500 is becoming very, very difficult. For me, at the prices I can afford right now, my only ticket into the vintage arena is a Japanese set. And I'd still rather play a vintage stencil set than a newer Pearl export set. Just my opinion, though...

Good for you dude. Some of the guys on here don't realize what they are saying. You have to understand that the cross section of membership is broad. I made a similair comment on the fact that jazz sucks, IMO, and got hammered by a bunch of guys for that comment. I also made fun, wrongly, of a guys japanese drums and also realized a major backlash. Your drums are NOT garbage like a Hyundai or a Yugo. Furthermore, restoring anything of any nature contains a value that cannot be put in monetary terms. YOU did the work. YOU put the time in. YOU brought something back from the edge of extinction.

I was lucky enough to inherit a nice set of 68 Slingerlands BUT they were in desperate need of a real good cleaning and I didn't mind one bit doing all the work involved in the teardown, cleaning, and reassembly.

I say if you buy what you can afford, do ALL the work yourself, spend as much time as necessary to do the work without shortcutting anything, you CANNOT go wrong. Even if your monetary and personal investment exceed the item's actual dollar worth.

GO FOR IT!!

If after all that someone doesn't like your drums and has the balls to tell you this, THEY will be the one who just doesn't get it. To be honest though, 99% of this site will NOT say a bad word about anything, guys like myself and Ludwig_dude represent that other 1%!!!!

Have fun and post some pics of your drums when they are finished!!

drumhackBurger KinBurger Kin

"If it doesn't matter who wins or loses then why the hell do they keep score Peg? - Al Bundy
Posted on 15 years ago
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Man o' man poor ol'Hyundai and Yugo... just out there minding their own business and they get dragged onto a drum forum and called GARBAGE!!

It ain't right I tell you... it just ain't right.Violin

Not a Guru... just interested..
Posted on 15 years ago
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Man o' man poor ol'Hyundai and Yugo... just out there minding their own business and they get dragged onto a drum forum and called GARBAGE!!It ain't right I tell you... it just ain't right.Violin

You ever own one of those things that they dared call a car? Once you have owned one you will understand what I meant by JUNK.

Posted on 15 years ago
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From Ludwig-dude

You ever own one of those things that they dared call a car? Once you have owned one you will understand what I meant by JUNK.

Fortunately, I can say that I have never owned a Hyundai nor a Yugo!!! I have always subscribed to the "you get what you pay for" line of thinking and have been lucky enough to land a job that prevents me from rollin' in a Yugo!!! I currently own and drive the fastest production four wheel drive truck in the crew max model:p

Well....I actually share it with my son. When I am on the road working, like now, he pimps it to school. I told him as long as he is trying to land some brawds he can drive it but if he is just avoiding the school bus then leave my damned truck in the garage!!! LOL

"If it doesn't matter who wins or loses then why the hell do they keep score Peg? - Al Bundy
Posted on 15 years ago
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It's a great deal for free. I would certainly have picked them up and taken them home with me, too. Would I have paid money for them? No. But, FREE? SOLD!

If I saw a fifty or a hundred dollar bill laying out by the trash, I would pick it up, too. That's basically what you have found. It's the same principle. Maybe you fix them up and they sound great for some reason. Great. Say you fix them up and yu don't like them. They go to EBay or Craig's List and you get $150.00 for them. To me, that's a nice dinner out on the town -or whatever else you want to parlay. Very wise and insightful decision, in my opinion!:Santa:

"God is dead." -Nietzsche

"Nietzsche is dead." -God
Posted on 15 years ago
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Yugo and Hyundai's.... OK, I have never owned one. Started with a brown '68 four door Ford Falcon... and have yet to find the equal. ;)

Looking forward to your finished product Pearl photos in the gallery!

Not a Guru... just interested..
Posted on 15 years ago
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