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Is this really a '49 Buddy Rich?

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Never had any idea what this was until I found it on this website (thanks!), but it sure looks like the 1949 Buddy Rich Model piccolo, 3" x 13". It's in really good shape, but missing the original snares and internal mute. I actually may have the snares somewhere, or may have idiotically thrown them out if they broke. Seems like I remember something with yellowed plastic ends.

I got this 15 or so years ago at a junk shop, part of a mismatched set including a 26" Slingerland bass drum that, again according to the info and pictures I've seen here, must be a wartime Radio King. Aluminum cloud badge.

Just read a post where someone was telling someone else if the lugs are screwed, rather than bolted on, it's not Slingerland. Maybe they just meant on later models like the one being asked about. The ones on this drum use screws but they certainly look original.

Anyway -- am I right? About the snare drum? Anyone have any interesting info on these drums? I'd love to see a catalog page or something. What would you guys recommend as far as restoring it? I'd rather not do too much, but honestly, though it looks great, I can't for the life of me get a good sound out of it -- it might need something pretty extensive for that.

Rock

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Posted on 18 years ago
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Yes, that is a Buddy Rich Be-Bop 3X13. Beer tap throw. I have the 4x14. It has holes for a muffler?! They did not come factory with one. For sale?

Posted on 18 years ago
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rock savage/vadrums...

Actually, the WFL 3X13 Buddy Rich Be-bop could come with a factory installed muffler IF it was requested by the purchaser. On a lot of instances the muffler would be supplied/installed by the dealer at a later date too, which was done with regularity back in the day.

It is my 1949 WFL 3X13 BR Be-bop that you are looking at on this site... and it is a beauty. I did a "wrap restoration" on mine as it was very yellow when I found it. It is now a much softer Ivory if you will, and it does have the correct WFL muffler for the period/era. And, those can be a tad hard to find too.

It is an interesting sounding drum. At only 3 plies w/rings, it's fundamental note is on the low side, which is of course helped to be a bit brighter in sound by the 3X13 shell. It actually won't tolerate a real high tuning due to the lug design and the way they are mounted... but ... the drum still speaks in a much higher area than the other standard size snare drums of the day.

Buddy did in fact request this drum be built as he had specific reasons for wanting it... and he did use it too! I have pics/film of BR playing this drum! Cool!

Tommyp

Posted on 18 years ago
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Not sure how to reply individually, so to both of you, thanks --

Funny about the hole. A guy I showed it to didn't know what model snare drum it was, but he was suspicious of the hole.

It's 3/8" diameter with a rust stain on the inside from a 5/8" washer. The location is a little odd -- it's centered vertically, but not centered between lugs like the badge (about an inch from one, and 4 from the other). But it must be like you say, Tommy -- and, by the way, yeah, it was your drum I was looking at. I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw it!

Anyway, I think I'll hang onto it. Just wish I could make it sound good! I've tried all kinds of tunings, might just be badly warped hoops. I'll try having those fixed first. I assume that's something that can be fixed?

What about the snares? What do they look like? I'm going to try to find the ones I've misplaced. Looks like I need to try to track down a mute too.

Thanks, guys --

I'm going to post more about the bass drum soon --

Posted on 18 years ago
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Hey rock savage!

If you email me directly... ( my email is shown on this site ) ... I will take some pics of the items/areas you want to see on the WFL 3X13 BR Be-Bop. This will help you in locating/identifying the correct parts for your drum.

Are the hoops, in fact, warped? Or do you mean out of round? I guess I'm curious! And,

WFL/Ludwig actually made improvements on the initial design of this drum when they came out with the 4X14 as mentioned by vadrums. The lugs were completely redesigned and no longer suffered from stress cracks and/or stripping where the tension rods thread into the lug. The reason I mention this is that the utmost care must be taken when changing heads on the 3X13... be very careful not to cross thread the tension rod in the lug... ( and that can be done very easily! ) ... Also,

You had mentioned sound: I have found that this particular drum benefits from very THIN weight heads, due in fact to the high tension issues mentioned prior. I got mine to sound better than respectable by using these heads. The drum is extremely articulate with brushes though, and/or at lower volume, say like in a Jazz Trio type setting.

It is a fine piece though, and I don't think a whole lot of them have survived, or are even out there! And it goes without saying, but WMP is the wrap of choice! I guess what I mean is that I haven't seen very many... possibly because they didn't sell a whole lot of them back in the day. Anyway,

Get in touch. I'll help you out.

Tommyp

Posted on 18 years ago
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