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From Gerard Ball

I'll wait until I have my drum in my hot sweaty hands before deciding which to go with.

Hmm, has anyone tried the hot sweaty hand treatment? Might be all that's needed...:)

Mitch

Posted on 8 years ago
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From Tommyp

Jeff!Yes indeed! Your drum doesn't look much more yellowed than mine was, if at all. I suspect it would come out much the same .. plus .. you have experience with solvents, spraying clears, wet sanding, etc. All pluses. Let me add that you saw this very drum in my BR snare drum collection at the Chicago Drum Show last May, and never noticed that it had been "restored" ... as that's how natural it comes out. How long has the acrylic been on it? Ready? ... 12 years! The only part I left out on the procedure .. as it was a thumbnail sketch! .. is that after I sprayed 5 coats of the acrylic, and then ensured an absolutely, positively, full dry ... I wet sanded with 2000 WET using an auto body sanding "block", which is in essence, a rectangle of foam. That allows the block/paper to contour to the drum so and doesn't telegraph any finger pressure into the clear. Once that was done to satisfaction, well ... WMP, and all these type pearls of course, are high gloss in their natural state. So ... I buffed starting with an extremely light almost liquid compound, and then ... polish! All that was done with a buffer. Hand pressure is NOT going to do it as you also need the heat from the friction of the buffer to really "move" the material. You saw the results! You're experienced enough where I think you would have no issue!, and again... it's not that difficult, just time consuming .. and .. the one doing it has complete control. None of it happens fast, well ... not 'till the end anyway where you are finally buffing!Tommyp

Thank you Tommy so much for this information. This drum being a gift from my daughter is very special to me and now I am confident that I can make this drum look very nice due to trust and respect I get from you. Yes, I do remember seeing that drum in Chicago, I would never have guessed that you had simply wiped it with lacquer thinner and sprayed a clear coat on it, simply amazing!


Thank you!
Jeff C

"Enjoy every sandwich" Warren Zevon
Posted on 8 years ago
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From jccabinets

Thank you Tommy so much for this information. This drum being a gift from my daughter is very special to me and now I am confident that I can make this drum look very nice due to trust and respect I get from you. Yes, I do remember seeing that drum in Chicago, I would never have guessed that you had simply wiped it with lacquer thinner and sprayed a clear coat on it, simply amazing!

THANKS Jeff! ... course I know you know there's a little more to it then "... simply wiped it with lacquer thinner and sprayed clear coat on it ..." I only WISH it was that easy! Well, actually it is ... but only in the procedure STEPS themselves. Each STEP was time consuming with care added into the equation. You just don't want to mess up an otherwise perfect drum! ... and many would tell you DON'T DO IT!!! I decided I would give it a try, and was very impressed with the results! But, I have also chatted with guys that suffered total failure and were sorry they ever attempted it. I honestly think it comes down to one's confidence going in. As a final thought, I will mention that I started with a TEST panel on the BACK of the drum, figuring if it didn't work, I could probably polish it back to match the rest, and leave it as is. Well, the opposite happened, and I was able to do the whole shell. See what you think!, and that might be the best course first ... TEST on the back. GOOD LUCK!

Tommyp

Posted on 8 years ago
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From DownTownFarmer

Hmm, has anyone tried the hot sweaty hand treatment? Might be all that's needed...:)Mitch

You pay extra for that....

jason

Posted on 8 years ago
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Tommy P I had no idea the depths you've ventured. Amazing stuff thanks for all the details. Aged wrap color is always a interesting topic. Lots of good tips and advice here.

Glenn.

Not a guru just havin fun with some old dusty drums.
Posted on 8 years ago
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I was going to take a clean shop rag and thinner and "test" a small area to see if any yellow gets on the rag, if not I might stop right there. Any chance your drums yellowing was mostly cigarette smoke?


Thank you!
Jeff C

"Enjoy every sandwich" Warren Zevon
Posted on 8 years ago
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Jeff good luck with the snare. Hope it goes well.

Creighton I forgot about your progress on the marcher. I have the same drum and about the same degree of yellow. When I did the painted drum wrap test I had a good chemical at work old wraps could soak in for hours without harm. It's water miscible too so I can add a % of water without negative chemical reaction. I'm going to try this with a magic eraser and see what happens. If it fails I'm trying your version.

Glenn.

Not a guru just havin fun with some old dusty drums.
Posted on 8 years ago
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Well, I tried some thinner on a clean rag like I was saying and it did not seem to do anything. The rag remains clean white. This was a totally soaked rag, rubbing a 2" x 2" or so spot just above the butt for about a minute.


Thank you!
Jeff C

"Enjoy every sandwich" Warren Zevon
Posted on 8 years ago
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From jccabinets

Well, I tried some thinner on a clean rag like I was saying and it did not seem to do anything. The rag remains clean white. This was a totally soaked rag, rubbing a 2" x 2" or so spot just above the butt for about a minute.

Jeff!

No, it wasn't just yellowed from nicotine .. because .. the 1st order of business is to clean/remove the "dirt" soiling, etc. from the shell with your favorite method. THAT will take off most the residual crap and will be easy to see on your rag/paper towel. As to WHY you're not seeing anything on your rag soaked with lacquer thinner, the word would be ... yet! As I have made mention many times, it doesn't happen FAST, and it takes a goodly amount of pressure/elbow grease to get through that 1st layer. A rag that has a little "texture" works better here rather than a soft old t-shirt, and for the reasons just mentioned. You will know WHEN things start to happen as the rag/cloth will start to drag on the shell... a fine indicator that things are starting, and to keep that rag wet! Again... SLOW GOING! I did my little 3x13 over the course of 4/5 days as you can only go so far before you're arm starts to get sore. Is it worth it? Only you can decide!

Tommyp

Posted on 8 years ago
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My :2Cents:You know a good old fashion wet sanding will do the same thing! Just saying than the new wipe on gloss poly does a great job of sealing

April 2nd 1969 scarfed pink champagne holly wood and 65/66 downbeat snare, and , supra same year very minty kit old pies
66/67 downbeat with canister
Super 400 small round knob
1967 super classic obp





once the brass ceases to glitter, and the drum looses its luster, and the stage remains dark, all you have left is the timbre of family.
Posted on 8 years ago
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