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Information and advice on recently purchased vintage Zildjian Hi-Hat

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I'm not sure if my hi-hats are from the 50's or 60's. I can barely see the word medium below the stamp on both cymbals. One is 14" 872 grams and the other is 13 7/8" 792 grams. There's quite a few spots of patina on the cymbals which I don't mind and some other residue that just makes it look dirty.

http://imgur.com/a/EkEUZ That's a link to photos of the Hi-Hat

I was wondering if you could help me identify the year these were made and if I should leave them as is, or clean/polish them and how I should go about that if that were the case.

Thanks!

Posted on 9 years ago
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Hello and welcome philly7,

That looks to me like a pair of medium hats bearing what Bill Hartrick (Drumaholic on this forum) called the 1960s stamp. Here's why:

http://black.net.nz/avedis/avedis-gallery.html#60s

Yours have that look I describe as the ZILDJIAN Co having a slight hollow or outline font feel to it. That seems to be a characteristic of the 1 3/16" die when it isn't pressed in fully in the middle.

I'm not much of a cymbal cleaner so I would tend to leave them alone. But if you want to remove some of the gunk then I'd start with just soap and water. Others here may urge you to clean, or even to go further and polish them.

Posted on 9 years ago
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Hello and thanks zenstat!

That website has great information and pictures compared to others I've viewed previously. Thanks for taking the time to look at my photos and giving me an assessment of the hi hats!

I love the sound of the hats because they are much mellower than the majority of modern cymbals. What type of soap is safe to use?

Thanks again zenstat!

Posted on 9 years ago
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Welcome I second that mid 60's last of the hand hammered

April 2nd 1969 scarfed pink champagne holly wood and 65/66 downbeat snare, and , supra same year very minty kit old pies
66/67 downbeat with canister
Super 400 small round knob
1967 super classic obp





once the brass ceases to glitter, and the drum looses its luster, and the stage remains dark, all you have left is the timbre of family.
Posted on 9 years ago
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Thanks for the compliment on my site. I've tried to fill the gap in terms of quality information and illustration.

I just use any old dish washing liquid. And a soft rag or sponge to rub it on and off. I rub with the grooves (helps move out any grime stuck in the tonal grooves) and I rinse well with just water at the end. Nothing fancy.

If you like the mellower sound, don't clean them much because you may find they get brighter and less mellow. I'm agnostic when it comes to what cleaning (or the more extreme polishing) does to the sound. I'm still waiting for good before after sound files which we can use to test out the theory by blind listening tests. But I know a number of people believe cleaning makes a strong difference. I suspect (while waiting for some evidence) simple cleaning it might do a tiny bit to the sound in most cases. But opinions vary and are strongly held.

From jaghog

Welcome I second that mid 60's last of the hand hammered

What I'm seeing on those hats looks like the familiar concentric ring hammering style. I believe it is done with force provided by a machine, but perhaps targeted by a person guiding the cymbal freehand. But I don't really know. I've been trying to develop a vocabulary for describing these matters:

http://black.net.nz/avedis/hammering.html

which is still very much under revision. And I generally try and stick to describing the pattern we see rather than inferring whether the force was supplied by a human arm or a mechanical amplification.

While there may be some hand hammering on some mid 60s cymbals I don't believe it is that frequent. And if it is present it doesn't seem to account for the bulk of the hammering done for shaping the curvature of the bow. If we are lucky Drumaholic might provide us with some more up to date comments, but my understanding is that speaking generally he used to believe that Trans Stamps were the last of the hand crafted ones.

http://www.drumforum.org/index.php?/topic/8515-18-type-i-transitional-stamp/?p=107278

Posted on 9 years ago
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You're welcome. It's awesome learning about the history of those cymbals on your website.

Thanks for the tips on cleaning the cymbals. I think I'll just leave them be or gently wash them with water and a little soap.

I noticed the concentric ring hammering as well. Thanks again for the help!

Posted on 9 years ago
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