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Ludwig Supraphonic shell

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Hi,

I own a 1968 Ludwig LM400 Supraphonic and I was sure that the shell was made with Ludalloy.

But someone recently tell me that because there's some pitting on the lugs and the hoops but the shell is absolutly clean, this could be a brass shell.

What du you think of that ?

thanks

here's some pictures :

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Posted on 15 years ago
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I understood it was the opposite. Ludalloy shells are the ones that pit, not the brass ones.

Posted on 15 years ago
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From trieck

I understood it was the opposite. Ludalloy shells are the ones that pit, not the brass ones.

So it may be a brass shell ? How can I be sure ?

I was thinking that the LM400 with brass shell were only the early 60s preserial models with crimped beds and dial muffler.

I never play another LM400 than mine, so I can't compare brass VS ludalloy sound.

Posted on 15 years ago
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USUALLY, there is some pitting on Ludalloy shells because the chrome didn't plate well onto the aluminum -thus the pitting problems. The brass shells are heavier and they rarely (if at all) pitted.

Your drum looks very clean, so it might be a COB shell ("chrome over brass). It's possible because Ludwig DID, in fact continue to make some brass shell Supras during that time.

Sometimes, there is a "B" or a "BR" mark somewhere on the shell if it is brass.

Also....a magnet doesn't stick to an alloy shell, but will stick to brass.

And, a brass shell is heavier.

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Posted on 15 years ago
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thanks for the answer, I didn't find any "B" or a "BR" mark…

For the magnet I don't think it will stick on a brass shell because I also have 2 others brass snare drums and it doesn't stick on those shells, but it stick on my old Tama steel snare (and on my LM400 hoops)

Posted on 15 years ago
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Woops! yes, you are correct about the magnet. Sorry! Duh! Brass is a non-ferrous metal, after all! (hits self in forehead). In any case, it's avery clean shell. Can you weigh it? If you weigh it, then I'll weigh my Ludalloy and compare notes with yours. If yours is significantly heavier, then it's likely to be brass.

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Posted on 15 years ago
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If it was made in 1968 it IS Ludalloy aka aluminum. No brass shells were made that late in the 60's, they were all aluminum. Brass shells didn't resurface until the late 70's....1979 IIRC. It is possible to own a Ludalloy shell that is not pitted....I own one and its a 1968 as well.... :D

Posted on 15 years ago
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I have just weight it, it's 3,3 Kg so 7,27 Pounds.

Posted on 15 years ago
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From loorenz

I have just weight it, it's 3,3 Kg so 7,27 Pounds.

Its aluminum.

Posted on 15 years ago
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From Ludwig-dude

Its aluminum.

Ok thanks Bowing

that's what I was thinking.

Do you know the weight of the COB models ?

Posted on 15 years ago
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