I'd say it a little differently...

If they are "1970s" cymbals then they may still have a hollow logo Zildjian ink stamp on the bottom. Or they may not if it has been cleaned off. It is more a case of if it has a hollow Zildjian ink logo we refer to the cymbal as "1970s". The actual years for the hollow ink Zildjian on the bottom are still unclear.

And just to make more trouble, there are also hollow Zildjian ink stamps on the bottoms of some cymbals with what we call "1960s" stamps as well.

All of these things are illustrated on my site. First the Hollow Ink Zildjian logo (why use 1,000 words when one picture does it nicely?):

[img]http://black.net.nz/cym2013/70sA3.jpg[/img]

and corresponding entry:

http://black.net.nz/avedis/avedis-gallery.html#HollowInkZ

Then read from the 1960s entry onwards:

http://black.net.nz/avedis/avedis-gallery.html#60s

If you can't identify the pressed in die stamp from these entries then you might need to look earlier or later. It's all there for the reading.

Also on the earth cymbal line.

Yes, Earth Rides are yet another kettle of fish with and without a hollow ink Zildjian on the bottom, and sometimes with a die stamp which looks like the late 50s small stamp (lacking the 3 dots) but isn't. So 3 different die stamps, plus a reintroduction with a laser stamp in a rareties year some time later. I haven't got back to writing up all the variations and production years I found for these thanks to others posting pics and measurements, etc. That along with umpteen other topics is sitting in my to do list. But your contributions aren't forgotten.

Yes you are. Never miss a chance to check up on his day.

Great cymbals!

Creighton

Zen - I'll be damned! I've had your site bookmarked for the longest time and never knew it was you! It is my go-to source for all things Zildjian. I really need to spend a little more time taking it all in. Thanks for all the work it took to assemble all that information. It must have been quite the research mission!

I'm going to have to have a second look at my hollow logos! Check out and measure the stamps.

John

i lost my dad in 1989 there are times i wish i could still talk to him he was always there for me, dad bought my first 2 kits a stencil red sparkle when i was 12/13 and my hollywood kit when i was 16 i remember that day like yesterday i use to always take it apart and clean it just to keep it like new and the kit today still looks new of course i added some but still reminds me of him yes you are blessed....

Yes same here bro I would find the used drum set in the classifieds call & make an appointment and he would take me in the 65 Pontiac LeMans to go check them out all in my teenage years

1st Stencil kit

2nd club date

3rd round badge

4th super classic

Thanks John. Glad it is proving useful for you. It wasn't ever supposed to be a secret that it was me. I think it says so in a few places...and there are getting to be quite a few places.

It isn't finished yet by a long shot. And it is always getting updated so when you go back again you might need to refresh (control-R or whatever) your browser to get the latest version. I'm busy writing up more on bells and lathing patterns and hammering variation over the decades at the moment. Nothing major. :D

Meanwhile, back to dads and vintage gear.

Well, the ride does not look like a modern A to me. It looks like a K.

We'll see. The hammering pattern I see on the first photo is well within the range of variation I'd expect to see on a 1950s or later Avedis. I refer to it as "concentric ring hammering" which is one style of regular hammering. This is in contrast to "irregular" hammering which Ks have. The is the barest first draft of my hammering page to come (and it already needs a bit of a re-work).

http://black.net.nz/avedis/hammering.html

Do you see the concentric rings I see in the first photo in this thread? Particularly the largest cymbal on the right. That's A style not K style hammering as far as I can tell.