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Zildjian old K? 20"

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Thanks again Magnus,

We're down to a small gap under discussion. You are at "great deal" and I'm at "good deal". But I hope we haven't scared off the original poster with all this talk. The simple message is "buy". :D

And I'm one of the people who bought an old K at a really low price (in Feb 2014). An 18" old stamp (IVa) which weighs in at 1290g. My total cost? $160 (US dollars). No shipping because I drove across town and picked it up.

I also suspect that the extremely good deals which some people get (and then post about online) is one of the things which really gets people excited about these and keeps the adrenaline flowing. The thrill of the hunt for that fantastic deal...because prices are so variable and not all sellers are "in the know". ;)

Posted on 9 years ago
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Funnily, in my last post I originally wrote "good deal", and then changed it to "great". So, yes, very small gap, indeed.

Also, drums.leipzig did actually buy the cymbal, he says initially. So no worries there.

A great, good deal!

drums.leipzig: are you still following your thread? Please weigh your cymbal and post back.

/Magnus

Posted on 9 years ago
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I've seen cracked 20" K's sell for more than $1000

Posted on 9 years ago
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From Chromeo

I've seen cracked 20" K's sell for more than $1000

So have I, and recorded them in my database. And I've also seen them sell for $180. And recorded them in my database.

All I ask from the good people of VDF is please do keep your mind open to the possibility that it's time to move beyond anecdotal evidence as a way to improve our understanding of prices. I understand that not everybody agrees.

Posted on 9 years ago
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From zenstat

The correct term for that according to Bill Hartrick who invented the timeline and the terms is a New Stamp not a Late Stamp. Here is an illustrated site which ripped off Bill's work but gives no credit to him:http://robscott.net/cymbals/k-istanbul/Since this site copied his work, Bill has distinguished between an Older New Stamp and a Newer New Stamp, based on the distance between the portion in English and the more abstract design (in Arabic?) above. I'm not able to tell you whether that distance on yours makes it an Older New Stamp (closer together) or a Newer New Stamp (further apart) because I don't know what the dividing line is in terms of measurement. To me yours looks like an Older New Stamp (closer one) which Bill places at 1967-1972 in his latest (2013) published timeline. Ref: Rob Cook, The Gretsch Drum Book, p250-251. For a 20" a price of $600 seems good in the USA (I don't know if you are elsewhere) if there isn't any damage which we aren't seeing in your photo. Condition affects the expected price, but it is not the only factor. The expected price would also tend to be higher if it is lighter (say below 1800g) and lower if it is heavy (say above 2400g). There are other factors at play but those probably have the most impact on expected price.For the most recent prices I've recorded (n=21) the range is $400 to $1900 with an average of $825. For less than 1800g the average is $1,000. For more than 2400g the average is $500. You should see what an effect weight has at a glance (if your eyes haven't glazed over yet from all the numbers). This is just a quick and incomplete analysis because [list]I've got lots more sales recorded but they aren't yet ready to analyze, [*]I should really fit a statistical model including both condition and weight to estimate the separate effects of the two factors.[*]I prefer to use more robust measures of central tendency than the average so that they are less influenced by extreme outliers.[/list] But I haven't got to that yet. Oh, and don't be misled by higher values you might see for Old Stamps. Well informed anecdotal evidence suggests they fetch higher prices than Intermediate or New Stamps (other things being equal). Again, I'm working on building a database and analysis which quantifies that effect, but it hasn't happened yet.

Agree, it looks like an older New stamp. I believe Bill had updated his earlier thoughts on the New stamps, and the periods for the variations is not as clear cut as it was. Perhaps Bill could chime in.

Mark
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Posted on 9 years ago
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