I think you're right, that's not Paiste's Stambul. This is:
[img]http://photos.imageevent.com/drumaholic/ebay/24_Stambul.jpg[/img]
But I sent them the other one just to see what they'd say about it. This unknown one could be some little known Turkish manufacturer, or it might be just another company using the "Made in Turkey" claim falsely.
In any case, 2 trademark from 2 different manufacturers is good for a trademark infringement lawsuit.
Concerning this trademark:
[img]http://photos.imageevent.com/drumaholic/elvinscymbals/websize/stambul.jpg[/img]
Hi William,Thanks for your e-mail. Indeed that cymbal is a Stambul, made by Paiste cymbals from 1932-1965. Congratulations.If you are on Facebook please join our Fans page: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Paiste-Cymbals/57292901652Take care, Andrew
So I guess that settles it.
Concerning this trademark:[img]http://photos.imageevent.com/drumaholic/elvinscymbals/websize/stambul.jpg[/img]So I guess that settles it.
Very cool - I never would have suspected it was a Paiste (due to the "made in Turkey" stamp).
Another stamp in the Paiste line....
Check out the die-stamp in the 1947 image in this link on the Paiste website
..and did you join the FB site, Bill?
Very cool - I never would have suspected it was a Paiste (due to the "made in Turkey" stamp). Another stamp in the Paiste line....Check out the die-stamp in the 1947 image in this link on the Paiste website..and did you join the FB site, Bill?
Not yet, but I might after this.
This version of the trademark must have been used early on. Back in the old days many drummers refused to by any cymbal that didn't say either "Made in Turkey" or Constantinople on it. So several other manufacturers used these things in their trademarks even though they didn't qualify to do so; including Zildjian. So here's just one more example of this phenomena.
I am a vintage cymbal historian. I recently asked a question concerning this particular version of the Stambul trademark: [img]http://photos.imageevent.com/drumaholic/elvinscymbals/websize/stambul.jpg[/img] I am aware that in the 1930's and 1940's many drummers were very hesitant to buy cymbals that didn't say "Constantinople" or "Made in Turkey" in their trademark. And so several cymbal companies did so even though their cymbals were not actually made in Turkey. So I'm not at all surprised to see "Made in Turkey" and "Genuine Turkish" in your early version Stambul trademark. But can you confirm for me whether or not these cymbals were in fact actually made in Turkey or not? And if they actually were, who was it that was contracted out to make them there? Thanks very much.
...and then did a 180 degree turn-around with this answer:
Thank you for your e-mail and your interest in Paiste products.First of all we have to clarify, that the cymbal on your photo isn't a Paiste Cymbal. It must be from another brand.But you're right, that in 1930's and 1940's a lot of drummer preferred to buy cymbals with the trademarks "Constantinople" and "Made in Turkey".Paiste Stambul cymbals has been produced in Estland (from 1932 to 1941), in Germany (from 1948-1957) and in Switzerland (from 1957-1964). We never made cymbals in Turkey. Please find attached a photo of an embossing of a Stambul cymbal made in Switzerland.Best regardsCustomer ServiceDepartmentPaiste Switzerland
It took them about twice as long to get around to answering me this time, possibly because it took some more asking around to confirm it.
...and then did a 180 degree turn-around with this answer:It took them about twice as long to get around to answering me this time, possibly because it took some more asking around to confirm it.
Your first reply came back from Paiste USA (LA), which is the North American Paiste warehouse. The seond reply came from Notwill Switzerland, which is the actual factory and has access to all of the old die stamps and the history. I'm not surprised that they corrected the error.
For fun, here's a photo of all of the rubber stamps that Paiste used to use:
[IMG]http://www.dunnett.com/paiste/images/bwstamps.jpg[/IMG]
Cool photo. I just added that one to my archives.
But the mystery about that trademark continues. I've seen several manufacturers use "Constantinople" in their trademarks even though their cymbals weren't actually made in Turkey as I mentioned. But I've never seen a cymbal that said "Made in Turkey" in the trademark without that being true. So I'll have to assume that this is from some unknown Turkish manufacturer until and unless some better information becomes available.
wheres the giant beat stamp??
