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Refinishing Slingerland hoops: absolute disaster

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Ok, so I tried to touch up the 20" hoops on my 65 Sling kit. It has been nothing but a succession of failures, ending with what I think now may be permanent damage. I had to repaint twice: first time it looked terrible, second time the black lacquer spray just did not cure, after 3 weeks I was able to lightly drag my fingernail across the surface and remove large chunks of paint. So I decided, thats it, I'm going to have to take the inlays off and power sand the hoops down and start all over, this time with a different brand paint (that Valspar stuff from Lowes is absolute garbage). So this morning I removed the inlays, breaking my pocket knife in the process of prying out the staples. With the staples out, the ends of the inlays are falling apart and there is silver sparkle glitter all over the floor. I wanted to see just how hard it was to put the inlays back together, and it is actually seems impossible. They weren't glued on, they were just pulled so tight that the stress kept them on. I've pulled as tight as I can but can't get the ends to join and align with the staple holes in the wood. Its not even close, theres like a few millimeters of space between the ends where they should be touching. I think these inlays are garbage now. Does anyone know where I could get replacement silver sparkle wrap that will match this silver sparkle? I can't explain how frustrated I am, now not only do I have the paint problem unsolved, but I've destroyed the inlays. Awesome.

1965 Slingerland Gene Krupa Deluxe 1N
1966 Ludwig Downbeat
1966 Ludwig Super Classic
Posted on 10 years ago
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I should also add, the inlay was not one long strip that goes all the way around the drum, its two strips that each go half way and are stapled together. And I'll also say Slingerland did a real **** job of cutting them, cause there were some points where the strips were too wide for the notch cut in the hoop, so they overflowed out, and other points where they were way to thin and didn't fill up the notch. I'm just dumbfounded as to how they got these on in the first place.

1965 Slingerland Gene Krupa Deluxe 1N
1966 Ludwig Downbeat
1966 Ludwig Super Classic
Posted on 10 years ago
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You can get replacements from Precision Percussion.

Posted on 10 years ago
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I'm wondering if these hoops are actually slingerland hoops. You mentioned theres silver glitter everywhere, but the wrap used by major american companies at the time completely enclosed that glitter in plastic. Even the backside has a layer of plastic on it... However some of the cheap MIJ stencil kits had wrap that had no backing. The wrap was like a colored plastic with glitter glued behind it, but no plastic layer on the back to keep the glitter in. which is fine as long as it stays on the drum. A picture would definitely help. And I have personally never seen an inlay that was one piece all the way around the hoop. They're always two piece. Also, In my opinion, who cares if the holes don't match up. Is the seam hidden under the claw and the T rod? I have a kit or two that has a three piece inlay because one broke. I just have to orientate the hoop so you don't see it.

Posted on 10 years ago
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I agree. I don't see how there should be glitter everywhere. Very strange. As to the two strips, since wraps are only 54" long, any drum over 16" requires two pieces.

tnsquint
Very proud owner of a new Blaemire Snare 6.5 x 14 made by Jerry Jenkins "Drumjinx"
Posted on 10 years ago
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The glitter was completely enclosed with plastic, but the action of prying the staples out split the ends of the inlay open a little bit and some glitter came out. I was pretty upset when I wrote this so I exaggerated the glitter everywhere thing. I was able to refasten the inlays back on, but its not pretty, and I'm afraid my tampering weakened those endpoints. Good point on the claw covering up the seams... I've had the kick drum dismantled for so long waiting for this damn paint to cure that I totally forgot that the claws can cover that up. Anyway I ordered a sample from Precision Percussion, and if it looks close enough I really may just replace these inlays, cause they look pretty busted now. But I'm also just really fed up with messing with these hoops. I started this project over a month ago, and honestly at this point I wish I had just left them the way they were. Totally did not expect it to be this difficult to spray paint something black.

1965 Slingerland Gene Krupa Deluxe 1N
1966 Ludwig Downbeat
1966 Ludwig Super Classic
Posted on 10 years ago
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Ross,

Don't let this get you down! It's great that you are fixing up your kit and you'll be happy you did when see the end result. I have had great success with Rust-oleum high hiding auto primer ( one very light coat) and then follow up with two LIGHT coats of Rust-oleum Satin or Semi-Gloss in the color of your choice. I have decided that I am happier with the semi-gloss finish compared to the satin.

Like you said, I would sand the paint back off (or strip depending on how big of a mess the un-cured paint is) and then clean the sanded hoops of all dust. A wet rag or tack cloth works fine.

Apply one light coat of primer and allow to dry. Usually takes an hour or less. Lightly sand primer with very fine sand paper or very fine steel wool.

Again, clean hoops of all dust.

Then apply one light coat of your paint and re-apply a second coat usually within one hour.

Let them air dry for at least 24 hrs. or more.

The lighter the coats of paint the better to avoid runs and longer curing times and shake the cans longer than you think you should.

I don't have a good photo of semi gloss, but this one is an example of satin.

Good luck!

Posted on 10 years ago
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Yeah that hoop looks great. I wanted to try the black lacquer cause thats what was used in the factory, and it came with a lot of recommendation. But I didn't realize how much more finicky and sensitive to the application process lacquer spray is. I've been reading that modern lacquer paint is not the same as it used to be due to EPA regulations forcing companies to change the formula, as a result it just doesn't cure the way it should. So maybe an enamel might be the better option if I decide to go forward with redoing it.

1965 Slingerland Gene Krupa Deluxe 1N
1966 Ludwig Downbeat
1966 Ludwig Super Classic
Posted on 10 years ago
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Man sorry to hear about the problems!! Very strange the lacquer never dried. I used Rustoleum gloss black lacquer sold at the Home Cheapo. When it dried and cured it was a nice semi-gloss/satin finish not high gloss. I used it on both of my Slingerland projects with excellent results. 1 can was enough to do both hoops nicely. Anyhoooo good luck and hope thing go better next time around!

BTW Randy that hoop looks killer!!! Really nice job on that.

Glenn.

Not a guru just havin fun with some old dusty drums.
Posted on 10 years ago
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Consider using Chrome Inlay... Looks good on most kits... and it matches.... all of the Chrome fittings..

Cheers

John

'77 Slingerland 51N,Super Rock 24,18,14,13.. COW 8,10 Concert toms
'69 Slingerland Hollywood Ace
'75 Rogers Dynasonic 6.5 x 14, 10 lug COB
'77-78 Slingerland 6.5 x 14, 10 lug COB
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'98 Slingerland (Music YO) 6" 10 Lug Maple.. NOS
Zildjian, Sabian , UFIP & Paiste mix.
Posted on 10 years ago
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