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Ludwig double-drill holes '65 Pioneer -

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Has anyone ever come across any Ludwig drum that APPEARS entirely original EXCEPT for a shell that was drilled twice all the way around - the bowtie lugs placed & putty? added & touched up with white paint?

I'm guessing this was some rookie mistake ... or the shell was reused & re-drilled for the bowties to fit.

The smaller holes = 1 5/8" ... whereas the bowtie = 2 1/4" both measured from the center of the holes.

Badge = 147885 = late '64-'65.

Thanks! Chris

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Chris,

These extra holes/patches are not apparent in the recent auction for this drum. I would be interested in seeing some pictures of the repairs.

Rick

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I am LEANING heavily toward a Ludwig drill hack, or some legitimate Ludwig factory reason for this drilling. I'd hate for him to be my dentist - Chris

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From Hobbs

The smaller holes = 1 1/8" ... whereas the bowtie = 2 1/4" both measured from the center of the holes.

It looks a little more like 2 1/8" not 1 1/8"

The question is what lug would have used the smaller dimension? Imperials and bowties are interchangeable, right?

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From KCDrumDad

It looks a little more like 2 1/8" not 1 1/8"The question is what lug would have used the smaller dimension? Imperials and bowties are interchangeable, right?

Hey KC -

Whoops! Smaller = 1 5/8". That's the magic question: What lug fits. & I'm hoping someone has an idea as this is an ebay snare that I was chipper about until I removed the lug - which I'll be doing EVERY time I buy from here on out,

chris

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I have run across a few that had stuff like that. they appeared to be factory mis-drilled as nothing else made sense.

mike

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From mlayton

I have run across a few that had stuff like that. they appeared to be factory mis-drilled as nothing else made sense.mike

Thanks Mike -

So how does this affect vintage value? Certainly it's not perfect; but it is a possible factory fix.

My MO is refurbishing to as close to original condition as possible w/out mods. In other words, I'll find the remaining CD kit to complete & resell after hours of work. I don't really mess w/ crap ... but am now faced w/ a lesser than specimen I'd not have bid on at all knowing what I know now.

Chris

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