Correction: Italian CB700 were all B8, just like the Abex line, but yes, the later Taiwan made ones were just garbage.

I have heard/read claims of both B8 and B20 from all reputable sources. I guess until we get something official from somebody (Sabian or an old Tosco employee?) then we will all end up going back and forth and all around in circles.

Of course if anyone had the ability, some shavings could be analyzed.

John

See, that's the thing. I have never been able to find anything about CB-700 cymbals (Italy) being anything other than B8, non-cast (sheet) cymbals. Pinksterboer is completely silent on it in "The Cymbal Book." For me, telling the difference between a clean B8 and a clean B20 is normally not hard at all. A B8 has 92% copper content, thus it's a very orangy cymbal. Good examples are the Paiste 2002, or even Sabian B8 lines.

The problem that has always existed in researching Tosco cymbals is that they no longer exist and were absorbed by a much larger company in another part of the world. Are there any artisans to be reached in Italy? Who knows? An email sent to Sabian might put you in touch with someone they knew to have worked in the Tosco-Italy foundry.