The Zyn isn't 15" odd sized, it's probably 40 cm even. Nothing odd there!

It looks to me like I see at least the endpoint of the missing one under the "P".

Could well be. I know it is somewhere between a 15" and 16" - have not measured the cm's as yet. Being used to cymbals measured in inches, I found it odd not to fit into that mould. It sounds bloody good though. I normally do not play smallish crashes (16 - 17") but that Zyn is great and I will use it. I seem to recall having read somewhere that Bill Ward (Sabbath) used to play Super Zyns.

Cheers

Erik

Yeah, it appears that the straight across ray didn't get pressed in very hard, or the bottom of "Trade".

I'd join in the chorus suggesting it is just a pressing variation.

Somewhere on the Paiste-Only web site itself (not the Wiki) there were some images and discussion about possible changes over time in the 602 die stamp. I have this URL stored away:

http://www.paiste-only.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4668

but I'm not 100% sure this is the one. I've haven't been keen on getting into that kind of detail.

What I am interested in is how do you know it is a crash? Does it still have the red model ink at 3 o'clock? Or are you going by weight? Some other morphological comparison with rides? They also came in Thin (marked as such), but we've never had an A/B comparison of ones which still have the model ink intact. Not sonically, and not on the basis of measurements.

Also hard to find. How much does it weigh? Mine weighs 1800. Not that hard to tell once you've seen one though - they flex a lot around the edges - the medium ride will not do that. Also on mine, the line under PAISTE is very hard to see, so it looks like it's not part of the 'rays' $00.02

Hi. The cymbal has no ink left on it. I went by perceived weight but your observation is very intersting for three reasons: 1. When I compared it to my other 20" 602 crash, I found that it sounded markedly lower pitched and darker (as a crash) which I found odd taking into account Paiste's consistency and 2. When cleaning it, I noticed that there were lots of tip marks on the cymbal, as you would usually find on a ride and 3. The kit dates back to early mid 70's and so does the hats and the 16 (ish) and 18" crash - the ride (besides the 602) that it came with was a zildjian with bold print at the ottom which does not fit into the timeframe - this could mean that the 602 was the original ride and the Z waz a later addition. Interesting. The cymbal is thin tbough and crashes well so I just assumed that it was a crash. It may well then be a ride right? I need to get a proper scale anx weigh it. Would it then have been a 602 light ride?

There were no light 602 rides then (or now, that I know of). The most common 602 from that era is the 20" Medium. They also made 18" and 20" thin crashes and medium hi-hats. There's a lot of those 20" Mediums around. They weigh more in the 2300 range so you can see there's a big difference in weight. The 20" Medium is not a heavy cymbal, btw. Of course it could be a crash, I'm just adding info here. But if it is, it should be quite thin for an 20" Paiste.

BTW,is your Z have hollow ink logo or solid ink logo?

If hollow,that means your Z is made from 1978 to 1982.

If solid,that means your Z is made from 1983 onwards.