This is the one and only time you will hear me degrade a musical instrument but i have to agree with you both, fender needs to stick with guitars. Fender guitars are awesome. Gibsons are better but we wont go into that here. LOL....just kidding guys. Anyhoo, a friend picked up a set of these for his 9 yr old to play and they sound horrible, my cooking pans sound better, but this litl guy is n drum heaven with his fender kit and thinks he is the next...fill n name...so i guess maybe in a way, they aint all that bad of drums. I, myself would not buy these drums but i also would not turn them down as a gift. :)