can anyone help me identify this cymbal? a previous owner scrapped (grind) off part of a ink stamp that is on it. i have looked this thing over under all kinds of lighting and at every angle possable (even standing on my head) and there is no stamp on cymbal at all. thanks.
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B8 pro
Made by sabian?
Bop iT / Til U Drop iT.If it was made by sabian, would it have zildjian on it?
To me it looks like there was probably a very faint stamp directly under that ink and someone ground it off. I had an early 90's A that was the same way, they put the ride and size practically over the stamp and it was so lightly pressed in it could barely be noticed.
Why someone would do this to the cymbal is unknown? My guess is early 90's sizzle.
Gary
I'd be fascinated to hear your evidence and your reasoning process for deciding this from the two photos.
Or was it a joke and you missed out the *wink* (or similar) emoticon?
I wondered about the Zildjian script used for the ink, but then after looking at a few it does match the 90s ones. These days (maybe post the time the Avedis went on) the Zildjian ink script looks like the bottoms of the letters are carefully done on a flat line (ignoring the descending J of course). Pre Avedis it looks like the the bottoms of the letters were follow a slight arc and are higher in the middle. This is something I never knew before.
Pics coming if I get the time.
it was certainly an interesting method of ink stamp removal
To me it looks like there was probably a very faint stamp directly under that ink and someone ground it off. I had an early 90's A that was the same way, they put the ride and size practically over the stamp and it was so lightly pressed in it could barely be noticed. Why someone would do this to the cymbal is unknown? My guess is early 90's sizzle.Gary
Interesting info about the model ink going right on top of the pressed in die stamp. These days they are more careful about orientation.
That's not a factory rivet pattern, so it wouldn't be likely to say "Sizzle" or anything like that for the model ink.
How heavy is it? Less than 1300g it's a thin crash, 1300g-1500g it's most likely a medium crash, 1500-1600g they might have called it a crash/ride, over 1600g it's more likely a ride. The weight bands aren't exact (quite inexact in fact) and naming of a type isn't closely correlated. If it has a larger bell diameter (which requires you to know what diameter a smaller bell is in that era) the probability of it being a crash goes up. I can't tell from the pic whether it "seems" like a larger diameter "crash" style bell or not. Here is an 18" thin crash (by weight) from the 60s for comparison:
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You need to eyeball the diameter of the cymbal vs the diameter of the bell. I don't know if anybody has looked into whether 90s bell sizes were differentiated in the same way.
I poked around at looking too. I noticed that some have the size towards the edges and some have the size facing towards the bell. (flipped the other way) This may help dating it when it`s ID is known. ZBT just don`t fit anyway they printed it.
ok i weighed it and got some more photos. it weighs 2041g. and it is not a factory sizzle. it really does not have a very good crash sound to it. actually has a really nice sound as a ride, given all that has been done to it. i like it and am gonna play it with my tie dyes, it goes good with my crashes. not really big deal iff we cant id it properly, it's just nice to know what we have, mho. thanks everyone for taking the time to help me out. greatly appreciated.
anyway here's a cupl more photos:
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edited to add....the scratched off lettering is facing the same way the zildjian letters are facing. so when you look at the cymbal you can read the labels without turning cymbal.
