This site won't allow me to load pics from my phone

Ah, but I haven't even got a cell phone. Maybe somebody else will have a suggestion about how you might do it. If there isn't a suggestion in the picture thread I linked to.

Chances are it's not the fact that you are on a phone per se, but that the pictures are too big (in dimensions or pixels or megabytes or all of these) for the limits imposed by this site.

Like I said, I can text pics. Then maybe you could upload them?

Ill try another way but no promises

let's see if this works

It works. I see pics.

As to era, it's hard for me to say for sure given the incomplete stamp in that photo. Can you definitely see the three dots of a 60s stamp? If yes then 60s. If not then maybe a 70s stamp on that cymbal rather than a 60s stamp?

That's based on the font weight strength criterion I mentioned here:

http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/showpost.php?p=285023&postcount=29

That's because the bottom of the stamp is missing so the vertical alignment criterion can't be assessed.

I make no claim to be the best stamp identifier in the world. I do claim to be a scientist who tried to do a decent job of documenting (both visually and in words) what people have told me.

Finally, if you can see (but not photograph) the whole stamp, can you measure it accurately from top to bottom? Bill Hartrick's article (the guru of all this stamp stuff)

http://www.spiekermann.onlinehome.de/ZDatingZildjianCymbals.pdf

gave 1 3/16" for the early 1960s and 1 1/2" for the later 1960s. Bill's article is silent on whether the vertical alignment and the font stroke weight difference are the same on the early 1960s and later 1960s stamp.

If we're lucky Bill might stop by and enlighten us.

Ok first off I mismeasured. It measures 20 1/8 inches accross. Sorry.

Secondly, It does have the 3 dots and the stamp is fully intact. I just didn't capture it in photos.

Third, the height of the stamp, measured from the bottom to the made in usa script to the highest most point of the arabic, is exactly 1.5 inches.

So is it agreed that this is not a factory sizzle but rather a post factory sizzle?

Lastly, the font stroke.

AVEDIS is the hardest impression with the top half of the Zildjian Co. being stamped equally as hard. The rest of the stamp is about 2/3 as deep.

Well it seems to be coming up later 60s, 20", and drilled after factory for 3 rivets. The info on rivet hole spacing from edge comes from here:

http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/showpost.php?p=283648&postcount=6

Drilled after factory doesn't imply poorly drilled of course. Some people just have this "thing" about factory. They may be well drilled and in just the right places.

The usual "factory" pattern seems to be 6 holes equally spaced. But some (like pangs if I remember correctly) came with more.

I don't think what you are calling "font stroke" or "weight" is what I was meaning. But that's good because it means I can improve my description. The "weight" I'm talking about is purely in typography terms. The actual thickness of the letters is greater for emphasis but the other attributes of the font are the same. Most people know this today through word processing. But they may not know it is called "weight". Even this site can make a word stand out in bold. But it has nothing to do with pressing the die in harder.

What you are saying about the depth to which the different parts of the stamp are pressed in is a different aspect. Depth. That's one which is particularly useful to distinguish a "Transitional Stamp" (Bill's term -- affectionately known as Trans Stamp) where the outer edges are pressed in much deeper. Here's one of mine:

[img]http://black.net.nz/cym2014/trans620-3.jpg[/img]

Yeah, mine is pressed differently.

Any thoughts on value?

After having read through this thread and have looked at these images I'm guessing $125-$150 USD max. Sixties' A's are not that rare or that valuable. I've got a couple I've bought for under $100 within the last year or two..