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Ludwig Standard questions...

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Today, I had quite the nice surprise whilst searching for a new kit. Among the new kits at my local drum shop, there sat a Ludwig Standard 5-pc in Blue Mist wrap. The damage to the wrap was substantial..what looks to be sun damage on the top of the kick drum, some cracking/tearing on the floor tom, etc.

The shells themselves looked proper. They still retained the white/grey fleck coating on the inside of all the shells. All the hardware was in good shape but could use a nice polishing. The sound was amazing, warm and punchy with just the right amount of resonance...the best sounding kit amongst 50 modern kits in the store.

It came with an Acrolite snare which I switched out to a 1965 solid-shell Slingerland snare that was also on hand at the shop. Would have been nice to have the original Standard snare but I'll take the Slingerland any day. The original strainer on the Slingerland snare had been replaced by a Ludwig strainer but it shouldn't be hard to find an original Slingerland strainer. The snare was finished in White Pearl.

Anyway, there were some oddities that I came across. First, the kit had classic lugs, not standard ones. The shop owner said he suspected the previous owner refitted the kit with the classic lugs but they look far more worn than I would expect of new lugs so I'm thinking they were factory fit but is there a way to really tell for sure?

Also, the shop owner described the original wrap as "aqua mist" but I've since learned that per the Ludwig website that the color was called "blue mist". The Standard apparently didn't come with many color options. How possible would it be to find someone with a nice set of blue mist wraps? If it's too difficult or pricy, what's the general opinion regarding a full refinish of the shells?

Sorry for the book but wanted to give as much information as possible. Any feedback is greatly appreciated ;)

Cuttle

Posted on 15 years ago
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There were some standards that did come from the factory with the classic lugs. Probably the best way to see is to take off a lug and see if the fade marks match the classic lugs. Here's some pics from another forum of some guys blue mist Standards.

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"Failing to prepare, is preparing to fail". John Wooden

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Posted on 15 years ago
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Man, I love those Standards. They are an easy fit for the Classic lugs and such. They had some of the coolest wraps. The shells speak for themselves, as they were the same doggone shell as the "real" Luddy kits. Are you asking, should you rewrap the kit? That's up to you. You can fix tears and such in the wrap. If it's badly faded, then maybe you might want to rewrap. This is sometimes a touchy subject. I've never even blinked when it came to rewrapping a kit. I've never had an issue, but some of us are purists. I respect that. If it weren't for them, we would not have some amazing specimens from the 20's and such. Check out some of those museum pieces. Wow, is about all I can muster. So, you're call on the wrap. Great shells, though. It's cool that you already have that whole Classic lug thing done for you. Those lugs can clean up right nice. Even if they are pitted and such, there is hope. As far as getting the 'exact' blue mist wrap...well...you can probably go to a custom wrap and get it done. I've never done that, but I'm sure someone out there does it. Hey forum dudes and dudettes...isn't there a drum parts company that has a custom color match wrap joint? It seems like it was Drummaker.com. Check me on that, please.

Posted on 15 years ago
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@mendozart:

Thanks for the reply and those are excellent pics :)

Also, the kick drum hoops aren't the original color hoops...they're Ludwig Standard kick drum hoops to be sure but orange instead of blue.

I've been tooling around on Google and Ebay and I can see it will probably be prohibitively expensive to try and obtain original blue mist wrapping and hoops. I don't have a budget that would support that kind of project.

So, I'll be looking to strip the drums and refinish them with stain/lacquer preferably or with paint/lacquer if the looks of the wood would make a stain undesirable. Anyone know what I can expect to see when I pull the wraps off?

I've refinished modern kits but this will be my first vintage refinish/restoration and I want to learn as much as possible before I begin.

Cuttle

Posted on 15 years ago
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There's a guy on another forum who runs this business. http://www.drumdesigns.com/

He can basically match anything.

"Failing to prepare, is preparing to fail". John Wooden

Blaemire / Jenkins-Martin drums.

http://www.jenkinsmartindrums.com/
Posted on 15 years ago
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You could find almost anything under there (map, picasso, wasp nest, kitten). Usually, it's a very rough looking non-show piece layer of maple. It don't look too sweet. Sometimes though...you get lucky and catch a drum that has a nice outer layer that would take the finish right nice. Odds are against you, though.

Posted on 15 years ago
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@mcjnic:

Yea, I was blown away by the sound. I know the Standards were marketed as the "economy" kit back then but wow...if that was economy then Classic Luds must sound bloody awesome :) Plus, I've been told that as the wood ages the sound tends to become warmer and more refined.

Hmmm...I hadn't considered a custom color-match wrap job before because I honestly didn't know if such a business existed. I will definitely look into that.

The hoops, lugs, mounts, and legs are in nice shape. No rust that I can find and I figure a nice buff and polish will get them looking almost new. None of the hoops or lugs are pitted and the tom mounts moved freely when loosened. Aside from the fact that it looks to have sat in the sun too long, it seems in good shape.

I'm not a purist when it comes to the looks of a kit. I'm like you...I have no reservations about refinishing a kit. After all, my enjoyment of the kit is what counts in the end. I am a purist when it comes to the sound though. No muffles (yeck), a nice set of double-ply white Evans batter heads, clear resonant heads, a proper tuning and I'm ready to go :)

I've always loved that BIG Ludwig sound and coupled with the crispness and warmth of the Slingerland snare I think it will be a nice sounding kit.

Cuttle

Posted on 15 years ago
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@mendozart:

I just had a look at the Drum Designs website and it sounds fairly affordable to recover the shells. If he can truly match the color to the original than I can send him the whole bloody kit :)

Thanks for the link, I'm gonna contact them and see what my options are.

Cuttle

Posted on 15 years ago
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From mcjnic

You could find almost anything under there (map, picasso, wasp nest, kitten). Usually, it's a very rough looking non-show piece layer of maple. It don't look too sweet. Sometimes though...you get lucky and catch a drum that has a nice outer layer that would take the finish right nice. Odds are against you, though.

More probable for there to be mahogany under those wraps.....maple usually were on the natural finish drums. Also, the wrap is probably glued all the way around, so it might make it difficult for removal and might even take a bit of the outer ply with it.....been there, done that before......

Posted on 15 years ago
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[COLOR="DarkRed"]Th lugs are very probably original. Ever heard the story ?

The story goes.....at the end of the Standards' (short) run (they were only produced for a few years), Luddy factory had ceased the Standard Lug production but had a surplus of Standard shells and badges left.

So...as Lud-Dude will tell you ;) ...the Large Classic lugs and the discontinued Standard lugs had the same hole spacings...therefore ...voila !

Luddy sent some out with Classic lugs on 'em.

As for sound...why wouldn't they sound the same as their contemporary Classic cousins ? The shells were identical spec....it was the hardware which was produced at much less cost....

Yes, these ARE becoming more popular these days....5 or 6 years ago you could nab a set for a few hundred, but no longer...

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www.2ndending.com
Posted on 15 years ago
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