Cheap import stuff. https://www.google.com/search?q=groove+percussion&rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS523US523&espvd=210&es_sm=93&source=univ&tbm=shop&tbo=u&sa=X&ei=HGOSUsSAAaTL2QWK_IDADA&ved=0CDEQsxg&biw=1366&bih=667&dpr=1

That's what I thought. Thanks very much for your reply. I really appreciate your expertise.

Brian

hi Brian, yes they are cheap import stuff from tiawan. i have a set, and i actually like them. with good heads they tune up pretty good.i know...thats what they all say but really they do. they are a very good kit for a beginner or even in a practice room. or a poor girl like me. i can't go into details like how many layers or what wood, i do know they dont have rerings anyway mine don't, but i could look mine over and try to answer your questions if ya like. hope this helps. oh and i think mine are an early 90s set, cymbals, and all hardware included.

heres the thread i did on my GPs

http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/showthread.php?t=39398

Hi,Robyn!

Thanks for the input. I really appreciate it. I noticed a drum on ebay and was just curious. I have all the drums I can possible ever handle. I'm with you 100% on "cheap import" drums. With good heads and proper tuning, they can sound just fine. Hey, even what we once considered high end instruments are often imported from China or Taiwan now. Your attitude is very refreshing.....no elitist b.s.! Thank you, lady for your honest opinion!

Brian

I do have a question for anyone out there. Are Groove Percussion, Percussion Plus, etc. just modern stencil kits? I haven't paid much attention to them but they all seem to have a similar "Pearl" style tom holder arrangement. Current Rogers drums may be included in the list.

I very quickly rebuilt an extremely used Percussion Plus kit for a friend. The shells we are Luan and the edges were terrible. Lots of splintering and chunks missing. Hardware appeared to be pot metal. I cleaned all the hardware in a 24 hour dawn/water soak and then cleaned it up. Used Novus 3-2-1 on the wine red wrap removing scratches, sticker goop, foam tape and what appeared to be caramel from a candy bar. I stained the interior with Danish oil and did a quick dressing on the edges as there was no time to really repair. New or lightly used heads all around. The end result:

12" sounded quite vintage as it had a warm, and not overly resonant tone. It was quite suitable for a lot of contemporary roots rock, country etc where the trend is for low, warm drums with little sustain.

13" sounded pretty terrible. It was pretty typical of poorly manufactured shells where you have to tune up quite a way just to remove wrinkles. If the bearing edges could have been leveled a recut it would have been OK. Same is true of most cheap drums.

16" sounded pretty good actually. It did not have quite the sustain and resonance of a higher quality shell but otherwise surprisingly good.

22" nothing special but certainly workable.

Snare drum: Pretty much junk. I did purchase a new strainer and butt plate for it so I can see what the shell will do. Gave them an Acrolite instead.

My one experience would then be that these drums are very cheaply made and inconsistent. They can be improved but will probably never be particularly good. Like Robyn said, it can work as a beginner's kit and possibly a rehearsal kit but nothing beyond that.

I've been enjoying them. This is a 10,12,14,16 and 18" bass. Originally a 10,12,14,18" bass and piccolo snare. I've added a 16" FT and a 14x6.5" snare and since have added an internal muffler for the snare and bass drum riser. Then broke it down to only the 12 and 16", utilized the other tom mount for the ride. Nice batter and reso heads too. Last 2 pics, used a 16x16" Pearl Export FT.

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>I do have a question for anyone out there. Are Groove Percussion, Percussion Plus, etc. just modern stencil kits? I haven't paid much attention to them but they all seem to have a similar "Pearl" style tom holder arrangement. Current Rogers drums may be included in the list.

i have seen the term "stencil kits" used many times here and if it means a cheap copy of a name brand kit, then i would say the answer is yes they are a modern day stencil kit. if i had to pick between the GPs and PPs i would choose the grooves. have never dealt with current rogers so don't know about them. all the PPs i have heard and messed with always sound like a kids set but like all cheap sets with a litl extra work and quality heads they could sound good i guess. with my grooves i am confident enough to put them up against any cheapo set and come out on top (maybe even some more expenive sets) i'll stand behind mine 100% any day.

found this:

Sam Ash Music Corp. was founded in 1924, and is the largest family owned chain of musical instrument stores in the United States. Sam Ash sells musical instruments, recording equipment, DJ and lighting equipment, and professional sound equipment.The Company record shows annual revenue is $1b to $5b & estimated employee size 100 - 499. The parent company, Sam Ash Music Corporation also owns several major long standing brands in the music industry, among them [COLOR="Red"]Groove Percussion [/COLOR](drums and percussion), the Brownsville NY (guitars and amps), Carlo Robelli (stringed instruments, guitars, and accordions), and Jean Baptiste (brass and woodwinds). Some of Sam Ash's products such as the Sam Ash Fuzz Boxxx and Sam Ash Guitar Amps, have become collector's items.

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Olimpass!

This is the kind of information I find fascinating! Thank you very much for sharing. It's interesting and refreshing to note that a family owned business can still survive in today's economy. Thanks again, sir.

Brian