They can be as old as 76,after that,Ludwig started making 6 ply shell,without re rings.As far as the grey granitone,that was kind of hit or miss in the mid 70.

Ludwig didn't round off all 4 corners of the B/O badge till late 78/early 79.

So a clear interior drum with re rings really shouldn't be later than early 76,but that serial number puts the drum in around 78,which would make it a 6 ply,no re ring drum.

Are you sure there is a 1 in front of those serial numbers?If the badge were just 624115,that would put you in around 69, which would fit the shells and the wrap.Check them again to be sure,because if that first set of serial numbers on the badges you gave me is right,you have an authenticity problem.

Keeping my fingers crossed.

Steve B

I took pictures with my cellphone - and yes- it starts with 1.

I check one tom, floortom and basdrum. All starts with 1.

Itś absolutley Ludwig hardware- all of it .

Screws, nuts, tomholder, claws, legs, brackets, rims, muffler, bearing edges look right.

Even things around too - Speedking pedal, ludwig throne, aLudwig hihat stand, Ludwig cymbalstand, even key is Ludwig... everything.

Badges look right, they are sitting perfect - tight and nice - not as when you put new gomets after rewraping - (exept one badge that have lot of scratches)

And wrap is correct looking too. I change some heads today- and they realy do not look rewraped either.

Shells look so right as they can ( I have been worked with several vintage Ludwigs before- so I recognize well parts).

Seller of drums was a old jazzguy- around 80 year old now, and he buye them NEW back in 70:s from store in Stockholm that import Ludwigs back in 70:s to Stockholm. H

e buy it same time as Acrolite snare I got with set.

And they sound right too :-) . Played them for 1 hour today....

But that stuped nummer is start with 1.XXX.XXX ?!?

How its possible? I know that serial numbers can jump - upp and down - they put serial at the begining just becouse insurance company wanted that - not to be able to track them back to line as today....but it seems as prety huge jump?

Any one else heard about confusing Ludwig serieal numbers?

And badge is NOT rounded att all four corners- just two. Ans still 1.xxx.xxx number?

Even if badges coming from another drumsets ( from 79), and was attched on my drums - how in hell can 1.6xx.xxx number be on the badge with shape from 69- 78????

I bought some similar shells with badges indicating 1978.

Unfortunately I can't find it now, but I found something saying there was an Ed Shaugnessy series drumkit featuring 3ply shells wrapped in arctic white in 1978.

Call me crazy!

And maybe you want to compare notes with this guy...

http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/showthread.php?t=41134

There are so many variables as to how your kit came about, I wouldn't worry about it too much. Just enjoy those drums.

Good Luck.

Aaron

I have no doubt thats Ludwig 3 ply B.P. But would be nice to know manufacturing year - especially now when all other stuff says 69-73 but serial 77-78 when those drums should not be existing.

I did not understaind exactly what you mean :

"something saying there was an Ed Shaugnessy series drumkit featuring 3ply shells"

You mean that you think that Ludwig may-be made some "old-school 3 ply" in 1978 - tribute to Ed?

I found another thread that indicate that Ludwig made 3 Ply in 78.

http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/showthread.php?t=22839

"I think the beginning of the granitone int for top level drums started 71/72, 6 ply started 1976,I bought a brand new 3 ply of the floor in 1978,14 15 mt 20 ft 24 BD,and only the 20 ft was painted.The 20 did not seem out of charecter from the other drums."

Even here is Ludwig from 78 - but 3 ply clear.

http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/vintage-1978-ludwig-drums-ply-black-21394327

"1978 Ludwig Drums 3 ply Black Cortex BIG BEAT, Clear"

I think all those different timelines on internet that syas "granitone from 73", and "5/6 ply w/o re-ring from 1976" have to be rewritten/ modifys.

It seems that Ludwig START with 6 ply 76 and granitone 73 - but parallel produced even the "old 3 ply drums - with or without granitone"

So I guess that my drums are autenticall 3 ply with rerings from approx 78 :-)

Ok,what size are the bass drum spurs 5/16" or 1/2 ".The 1/2 spurs were only mounted after 76,when Ludwig went to a 6 ply shell without rerings.

I know we say it here all the time,that anythings possible with Ludwig,I've never seen a 3 ply, clear interior shell,with a serial number that high.

I'm not saying your incorrect,but it's just peculiar,even for Ludwig,to put a badge on a set of drums,over 2 years after they were made.

Maybe the shells were sent back and rewrapped,maybe they were just warehoused for a few years ,then badged two years later?.

I really don't know.This is a head scratcher.

Steve B

Hi Steve.

I have to check out legs and recalculate it to cm .

But I think they look like my other I have on 69 psycho Ludwig !?!

In the links above you can find images on two Ludwig with high numbers as mine but 3 ply clear with rerings?

And in previous Aarons thread is link to another mystical Ludwig set too.

Obviously there is some....?

Why and how I do not know