They`re definatley not starting with an inget and hammering the whole thing out !i

One question.

Is modern(reissued)paiste formula 602(both classic sounds and modern essentials)are made from sheet bronze or made from cast bronze like modern zildjians?

All bronze is cast; the sheet, to which you are referring is the foundry initially casting the bronze and then rolling out large amounts of the bronze and then cutting blanks.

"Sheet Bronze" versus "Cast Bronze" is marketing hype.

And one more thing: there are West German made 2002s, RUDEs, Alphas, 505s, and 404s; I wonder if only one professional alloy was "doubled" in West Germany at that time; it is possible that 602s were made in West Germany, unless finishing them was significantly different to the B8 pro and student lines.

NOTE: I own a West German made RUDE and Alpha (original series) and I have seen the others during my time in West Germany in the 1980s.

From what I read in "The Cymbal Book" it seems unlikely. The book indicates Paiste didn't start making their professional lines at the Rendsburg, Germany plant until 1990 and that was the Sound Formula series.

reopening this old thread to dispel this: many a 2002 were made in 70s and 80s at the German factory and the German factory also "finished" a small number of 602s during the preserial days. There are also German made 3000s out there and I'm sure 2000s as well. All professional cymbals. There is a notion out there that in the old days of Paiste that the Swiss factory made cymbals the German factory did not. That is BS (with the exception of Sound Creation and 602, 602 to an almost complete state) The German factory made practically all the vintage Paiste lines, 2002, Stambul '65, 404, 505, Ludwig cymbals, Dixies etc. There is also a notion among some that the Swiss versions are better quality - they are not, the Germans are usually a little heavier and a little darker sounding. all depends on what your ear likes. People are less familiar with German Paistes because the Swiss factory did most of the exporting, so the US didn't get German 2002s or 404s or 505s for example. The German Paistes were meant for the German market and probably certain countries in Central Europe. Everywhere else got Swiss cymbals.

One of the last threads before CH went into suspended animation was coming across these old black & white of the Paiste Swiss works.:

https://www.bentleysdrumshop.com/about-us/factory-tours/factory-tours/vintage-paiste-factory-tour

-almost-20-vintage- pictures:

http://public.paiste.com/Images/Cymbal%20Production/Vintage_Images/

We've come a long way since 2013. To answer the original question, yes there are Formula 602 cymbals which say Made in Germany. These show two distinct versions of the trademark stamp called Mixed and Solid.

And we now have proper analysis of the 602 alloy and comparisons with A Zildjian and K Zildjian Istanbul (among other manufacturers) including micro photographs showing the grain structure. The 602 alloy is plain old B20 bronze with just a little (0.1%) Phosphorus added.

http://www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Alloys

Despite the passage of years I still don't understand what Calfskin was on about. His outlook still seems unique.