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Fantastic European mystery snare.

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This drum came from Germany but it is anyone's guess, where it was made.

I have been around European drums a lot and this one stumps me---in more ways than one----even the snare head stumps me. Firstly, the shift from the use of non-standardized metric sizing , took place on an individual company basis ----Trixon was the last to convert ( 1963-4) but some companies, surprisingly the East Germans were as early as 1955/56. This drum is, a now conventional 14" x 5 1/2" drum with a snare head , branded Buffalo, which was what the seller advertised it as. I have never seen a Buffalo head but the style of the heads is of the older , integrated mud mix version( in order to look like calf), rather than coated. The early German heads--RKB(Tromsa) were like this but the aluminum hoop ,of this head is not Tromsa like. It seems to have been made by another company. Perhaps these are not German heads.

The shell is 3 ply European Beech, with the interior and exterior plys vertical. The re-rings and bearing edges are machined aluminum mounted into the shell with 11 studs or rivets. They aren't going anywhere. The muffler is a double scissors type, similar to an older Slingerland with a 4 1/2" x 2 12" gigantic foam pad shaped like a B, in other words, two pads joined at the hip.

The wrap is a typical ,high quality , thick ,nitro cellulose champagne sparkle.

Hoops are nickel on cast aluminum( very similar to early Trixon, Deri, Tromsa and Lefima 50's hoops, in shape, height and construction). The lugs are also nickel on cast aluminum ,mounted U style , as though in a different incarnation they were meant to straddle a hump. T- rod heads are 9mm---similar to Sonor and Rimmel, chromed and the threads are fine, metric. Most of the threads on German drums were coarse( Trixon , Tromsa were exceptions). The parallel throwoff is immaculate and exceptionally precise. The wires are very thin and responsive 16 strand, carbon steel.

This drum is out of the loop for me. The only similarities to German drums I am familiar with are Sonor( a couple of features), Rimmel( a couple of features) and Trixon( a couple of features). I know Trixon too well, to think it is one. Aside from it being a fantastic snaredrum ; any thoughts on this one?

Posted on 11 years ago
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Posted on 11 years ago
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What do ya wanna bet there is a patent infringement going on and this channel slide strainer is in that block concealed !i

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Posted on 11 years ago
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Calf ..... Is there even a bearing edge on that thing ?

It`s a drum,.....Hit It !!

.....76/#XK9207 Phonic Sound Machine D454/D-505 snares !i
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The counterhoops are Germanic in appearance yet they are solid on the underside - quite unlike those from the same time period seen on Sonor or Trixon.

Throwoff much like that of an early Sonor model ... but ...?

I've seen Trixon and ASBA with fitted bearing edges, but neither resembled the one on this drum!

Perhaps Swiss? - Imperial? or early Giannini?

Possibly Belgian? Austrian?

Never seen a tone control with pads like that one!

I'm curious to know where you acquired it!

Posted on 11 years ago
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" is there even a bearing edge on that thing"

How can you patent a sliding plate, actuated by a lever that works it up and down? The concept has been used since at least the middle ages--- it's called a Guillotine and if reincarnation is a fact , you probably got your head chopped off by one, previously. Secondly , Germany was forbidden to have patents for a considerable period of time ,after the second W.W.---that's why the Japanese could steal all of their designs( cameras, especially) and make cheap copies. Thirdly in the text of my introduction to the drum it says " The re-rings and bearing edges are machined aluminum mounted into the shell with 11 studs or rivets."

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Posted on 11 years ago
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From BUCKIE_B

The counterhoops are Germanic in appearance yet they are solid on the underside - quite unlike those from the same time period seen on Sonor or Trixon.Throwoff much like that of an early Sonor model ... but ...?I've seen Trixon and ASBA with fitted bearing edges, but neither resembled the one on this drum!Perhaps Swiss? - Imperial? or early Giannini?Possibly Belgian? Austrian?Never seen a tone control with pads like that one!I'm curious to know where you acquired it!

Neither Sonor or Trixon used cast hoops from the early 50's on. I'm not sure about Sonor, going back to the post war period, or before( haven't seen one yet) but Trixon did use cast, nickel on aluminum hoops until 1950 , as did Tromsa and Deri and Lefima and they all were very similar.It seems that they all may have been made in the same foundry.( Sonor wasn't a factor yet, because they were still fighting expropriation in East Germany and had a period of non- production)The commonly seen Sonor and Trixon hoops, from the 50's and 60's, were in fact rolled from stamped steel and welded. It's just that, compared to a lot of other hoops ,they used such thick metal , that they seem cast.

The drum came from Germany but I think you are on the right track. It's likely not German but I can't connect it to many other drums I have seen, although the hoops do seem early German. It is always possible that whoever made it , bought the hoops from a German company but the lugs seem totally unique, although well allied to the hoops in construction and design. There is no evidence of it ever having been badged.

Posted on 11 years ago
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That is a 1954 Sonor patent snare strainer. It`s not ancent and not even close to a guillotine. it`s a mechanism like the leedy throw was patented. You mention the edges and show a pic. but What are they ?, 33, 45, or what they look in the pic, .... flat !i

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The 3 ply shell is 4mm thick and the aluminum re-ring is 4 mm thick. the edge of the shell is a half round to an apex at it's inside edge . The aluminum re-ring , with the integral bearing edge, begins about 1/2 mm below this apex on it's inside and ascends to just meet the inside of the inner ply, rising above it, maybe 5 thou . The angle of the lip leading up to the bearing edge is thus about 5 degrees or so. It's quite precise, machined and perfect.The edge is free from defects, is tight, defined and the rest of the structure carrying the edge is free and clear of the head.

The angle or degree of curvature, that the shell or re-ring takes as it departs from a bearing edge, whether that edge be an apex of a curve, or the edge of an angle, is relevant only in so much as it's possibility of contacting the head upon compression , would alter the bearing point. As long as the bearing edge is smooth and tight and the shoulder(s) of the edge stay clear of the inflecting head, the bearing edge does it's job and any alteration in it's form or location can only cause a very slight alteration in the overall sound of the drum.( as long as the original precision of the edge is maintained).

Posted on 11 years ago
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So are the edges like the black re-ring or like the green and chamfered a little bit ?

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