For those following this discussion at home, here is a crate of Amedia blanks newly arrived from Istanbul. This is the sort of blank you expect to see with manufacturers following the Turkish cymbal making tradition:
[img]http://black.net.nz/cym2013/amediablanks.jpg[/img]
The cup or bell can be pressed in and the hole drilled, as shown here, or they can be ordered flat so the bell can be put in to your own taste.
Again for those following the discussion at home, if you read Pinksterboer (The Cymbal Book: Chapter 8), you will see that he distinguishes between these cymbal making traditions: the Turkish style, The Swiss German style, the Italian style, and the Chinese style. Recommended reading (although it is getting a bit out of date now) if you want to understand a bit more about these round metal objects we play.
Thanks for the links to the Turkish method Calfskin. We are in agreement that the Turkish style and the Swiss style are different. In fact, I suspect that we are about 95% in agreement. But I'll leave others to trawl through your essays and my essays and decide for themselves.
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Calfskin, I might owe you an apology. I didn't say much when I posted the Paiste videos other than that I was adding references I had mentioned but not posted before. That's what the bit at the top of the post with the videos was there for:
The evidence I mentioned above in my post from the 27th of July (and above).
But just to make things crystal clear, evidence of this:
I'm also curious what you mean by "spun". If you are talking spin molding as a production method (as in Pinksterboor p113, p127) then that is not a technique used at Paiste for any of their higher lines (I'd say they don't use it at all, but I'm not 100% sure). The cup is pressed in hydraulically and the flat blank is then hammered into shape. If by "spun" you mean for purposes of lathing, then it would probably be better to refer to it as lathing since your usage will likely confuse some readers. If by "spun" you mean something else, you had better tell us because even I am uncertain what that might be.
and this:
I've seen video which shows that when they arrive at Paiste they are round blanks already cut to size. Very sensible for keeping shipping costs down. The main source of the "sheets" story, as far as I can tell, is Zildjian attack ads which refer to "cookie cutter cymbals". I'm still looking for a more reliable source than that. Perhaps you have one?
was the only purpose of the videos being posted. Just that they aren't "spun" into shape (as far as I can see from the video -- you may disagree) and arrive in flat rounds which then have a bell pressed in, a hole drilled, and are hammered into shape (not hand hammered -- on a machine).
Again, my apologies if you were misled and tried to find much depth and meaning in the posting of the Paiste videos and Zildjian ads which wasn't there. They were simply delayed references. It just took me some time to drag the references up from the vaults.
And hopefully you can forgive me if I caused you to spill lots of virtual ink deconstructing any possible evidence for other things in those videos. You and I actually agree on what they show and don't show, I think. Not spun and arrive in flat rounds which then have a bell pressed in, a hole drilled, and are hammered into shape (not hand hammered -- on a machine). That's it for the videos.
And finally, I put 27th of July but the posts are from the 25th of July. Mumble. Reading glasses.
Oh, and what I find is an interesting factoid. The patent on PSA has expired. I make it as expired in 2006, but it's not entirely clear to me because of the complexities of jurisdiction, changes in length of patent, etc.
The word "patented" is gone from the Paiste website (not that I've looked at 100% of the locations). It's just "proprietary" now. As opposed to ZHT which is "Zildjian's signature B12 alloy".
Same old same old on the marketing front. :D