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20" older new stamp K. hand picked from Gretsch warehouse

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This one was picked out of the Gretsch warehouse by one of the world's biggest Cymbalholics (assuming that numbers of vintage cymbals owned can be used as a sort of measure of that), and who is not a member of any drum or cymbal discussion site that I am aware of. He prefers to remain incognito, and so I'll honor that by not mentioning his name.

Anyway this one weighs 2125 gms. It's an older new stamp. Now there's two subdivisions of this category, named the primitive and the classic types. Both are based solely on manufacturing characteristics since the trademarks are exactly the same in both cases. And this is one is the older one of the two, the primitive type.

[img]http://photos.imageevent.com/drumaholic/michaelpaiste/PICT1785.JPG[/img]

[color=blue]Standard photo[/color]

[img]http://photos.imageevent.com/drumaholic/michaelpaiste/PICT1736.jpg[/img]

[color=blue]On the stand photo[/color]

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20" older new stamp primitive type

Posted on 15 years ago
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Somebody on another site asked me for a back photo so he could see the hammering there, so I just did a whole new set:

[img]http://photos.imageevent.com/drumaholic/michaelpaiste/stich%202_1.jpg[/img]

[img]http://photos.imageevent.com/drumaholic/michaelpaiste/stichper201_1_.jpg[/img]

[img]http://photos.imageevent.com/drumaholic/michaelpaiste/PICT1833.JPG[/img]

[img]http://photos.imageevent.com/drumaholic/michaelpaiste/PICT1830.JPG[/img]

Posted on 15 years ago
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Man I don't know if anybody else feels this way but I think a hand hammerd cymbal is a beautiful work of art.

Posted on 15 years ago
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From lucky

Man I don't know if anybody else feels this way but I think a hand hammerd cymbal is a beautiful work of art.

Ascetically speaking...YES

And sonically speaking ......YES again

Posted on 15 years ago
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Sonically, of course. It looks like the hammering has a cross pattern to it. Gotta wonder if that affects the sound?

Posted on 15 years ago
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From lucky

Sonically, of course. It looks like the hammering has a cross pattern to it. Gotta wonder if that affects the sound?

I'm sorry to differ with you, but I don't think that there's any discernable pattern here. But anything that varies in the way that a cymbal is made, even seemingly the smallest of things will ultimately have an affect on the sound. Cymbals are extraordinarily sensitive to that.

Posted on 15 years ago
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I am sure you are correct, my knowledge of cymbals stops at my own. I have heard about a guy who will take your cymbals and rework them. Is it the hammering that makes a cymbal more washy? What about stick definition? I have an older hollow logo Zildjian 20" ride that I would like to have hammered. I bought it new in 1978. It is in great condition, just kind of tired of the sound. Any thoughts?

Posted on 15 years ago
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From lucky

I am sure you are correct, my knowledge of cymbals stops at my own. I have heard about a guy who will take your cymbals and rework them. Is it the hammering that makes a cymbal more washy? What about stick definition? I have an older hollow logo Zildjian 20" ride that I would like to have hammered. I bought it new in 1978. It is in great condition, just kind of tired of the sound. Any thoughts?

Cymbals can be thinned slightly and more hammering added for a richer sound.

But the best thing to do is just buy another cymbal with a sound that you like better. Becuase with re-working, you never really know what you're going to get.

Posted on 15 years ago
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Bill,

I have a question on the stamp. You refer to this cymbal as having the older new stamp. I have a copy of your old time line from 2005 and the main difference between the older and newer new stamp back then seemed to be amount of space between the Arabic script and K. Zildjian name.

I just purchased a 20" Old K on eBay this evening (not yours) with a stamp that looks identical to the cymbal in this thread. Based strictly on the pictures in your old timeline, both my my cymbal and this one seem to more closely reflect the picture of the Newer New Stamp.

[IMG]http://img35.imageshack.us/my.php?image=oldkstampz.jpg[/IMG]

I know that you've be been reevaluating the earlier time line, and updating and adding to it for quite a while. I also know you're concerned about the inappropriate use of your propriatary research on cymbal stamps

Having said that I was wondering if you could end my confusion over the older and newer new stamps, I'm trying to figure out whether my cymbal is from the last 60s, (Older new stamp), or the '70s, (Newer new stamp).

Thanks for any assistance.

Mark

BosLover

Mark
BosLover
Posted on 15 years ago
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The identification methods for separating out the various new stamps has changed radically. The old method is only about 75% accurate. The newer methods are much more reliable. I'll be sending you some information privately about your trademark and how it fits in to the newest method for dating these new stamps.

Posted on 15 years ago
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