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Restoring bass drum hooops: how is it done???...

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Not long ago I thoroughly cleaned, polished, etc., my '64 Ludwig DB kit (am the original owner) after being stored in their hard fiber cases in the garage since the early '90s...and became really pleased with the results since the silver sparkle wrap is still really tight with no visible evidences of seam separation and, other than an slight degree of fading...the finish almost looks new; there are no bearing edge problems of any kind (i.e, separation of plies, etc.) nor similar issues to contend with either, which is cool.

The only major problem this set has are the bass drum hoops; they have several nicks and gouges plus spots where the black paint has either chipped or is heavily scratched and, in the case of one hoop, the inlay material missing altogether since it came off for some reason years ago (haven't been able to locate the original inlay in the garage, but have a new replacement piece on hand).

I'd like to refinish them yet am not certain what steps should be taken to repair the damages areas before reapplying the inlay piece, sand, prime, and repaint them. Help2

All suggestions and comments will be greatly appreciated. Thanks!... :)

-elcid

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Posted on 15 years ago
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[COLOR="DarkRed"]Basically, all you can do is sand down to remove some shallow nicks (no need to sand down to wood completely; likely you will get to some wood and some old paint), then repaint with a semigloss or gloss (I suggest an oil-based paint like Rustoleum, thinned with paint thinner a bit...2 coats). Don't spray paint, don't use latex.

The hoop will still have some nicks in it, painted over...but it will look very good and attest to it's vintage-ness.

For inlay, you can buy inlay strips from precisiondrum.com. Or buy a piece of quarter-sheet from drummaker.com and have enough leftover for recovering a snare drum.

Then either use double-stick hi-bond tape to mount it, or contact cement 3M both on the hoop and the wrap backing (trickier since you have to get the cement down there in the rabbetted groove cleanly).

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Posted on 15 years ago
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I have used hot melt glue to hold in the inlays. A spot at ecah seam and you are good to go.

Posted on 15 years ago
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From Jaye

[COLOR="DarkRed"]Basically, all you can do is sand down to remove some shallow nicks (no need to sand down to wood completely; likely you will get to some wood and some old paint), then repaint with a semigloss or gloss (I suggest an oil-based paint like Rustoleum, thinned with paint thinner a bit...2 coats). Don't spray paint, don't use latex.The hoop will still have some nicks in it, painted over...but it will look very good and attest to it's vintage-ness.For inlay, you can buy inlay strips from precisiondrum.com. Or buy a piece of quarter-sheet from drummaker.com and have enough leftover for recovering a snare drum.Then either use double-stick hi-bond tape to mount it, or contact cement 3M both on the hoop and the wrap backing (trickier since you have to get the cement down there in the rabbetted groove cleanly).[/COLOR]

Thanks for all the good tips!

As for the inlay material...already have enough on hand to do both hoops but only need to do the one with the missing piece as the other is still original--got it, as well as burgundy sparkle inlay pieces for my son's Gretsch RB bass drum, which is also missing one of the original hoops, unfortunately--from Ed Mathews at DFO a while back.

Am quite intrigued by the idea of using double-stick hi-bond tape instead of contact cement, so am going to try that route...

-elcid

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Posted on 15 years ago
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From lucky

I have used hot melt glue to hold in the inlays. A spot at ecah seam and you are good to go.

Ummm...that's also an intriguing idea; just might try it. Thanks for the helpful tip!...

-elcid

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Posted on 15 years ago
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[COLOR="Purple"]Whichever you use, Lucky is correct. You need not tape or glue the entire inlay, just the seams if you can pull it/lay it in there nice and tight.[/COLOR]

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Posted on 15 years ago
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From Jaye

[COLOR="Purple"]Whichever you use, Lucky is correct. You need not tape or glue the entire inlay, just the seams if you can pull it/lay it in there nice and tight.[/COLOR]

Gatcha...thanks!... :)

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Posted on 15 years ago
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Hi,

I have been refinishing an old ('60's) Ludwig hoop this past week.

I am using high gloss black rust paint. I did thin it a bit. I have tried spray bombs for this chore and I agree to go with brush on.

I sanded the whole hoop, taped off the channel that will hold the strip of wrap, and started painting.

Three coats seem to be my threshold--most of my projects seem to "require" one more coat than advertised.

I will be glueing the strip on with some 3M NF, mostly because I have it on hand from other projects. Lots of other adhesive alternatives will work for this.

I expect I will put some sort of little brass brad on the overlap.

Patrick

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From patrick

I expect I will put some sort of little brass brad on the overlap. Patrick

I like this idea! Is far more elegant solution than those cheap looking--although effective, I must admit--staples Ludwig was (still is?) wont to use on them inlays to keep their ends from coming undone... Clapping Happy2

-elcid

"For God...King...and Spain!..." Rodrigo Dias de Vivar, El Cid...
Posted on 15 years ago
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I just want to add :2Cents: - Jaye, the Rustoleum idea is the best! Works better than hardware store spray lacquer (not nitro) - The Rusto takes a while to dry, but the results are totally worth it - plus, even thinned, it's thick enough to fill in minor divots in the wood ~ AND my old Rogers wood hoops will NEVER RUST !!!!Laughing H

Kudos on the good idea!

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Posted on 15 years ago
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