Well Bill Maley needs to think outside the box and stop put`n cymbals behind kits alone !i
Maybe think school or team bands and sound effects for TV and Radio which were very big in the Fifties too !i
I still think they are original and not meant for a HH pair !i
Small rivits and large rivits can be drlled for differently,...No ?
Well Bill Maley needs to think outside the box and stop put`n cymbals behind kits alone !iMaybe think school or team bands and sound effects for TV and Radio which were very big in the Fifties too !iI still think they are original and not meant for a HH pair !iSmall rivits and large rivits can be drlled for differently,...No ?
Ha! Well, the thread was about hi hats, wasn't it? I agree though, factory rivets on a small crash or ride would be more likely than factory rivets on a bottom hat. I think when you said:
On another note, in the fifties, drummers tended to have smaller HH cymbals.
...you may have meant "ride cymbals" or "crash cymbals," yeah? So there would be more of a likelihood of factory rivets as a stand-alone sizzle cymbal.
Also, factory Avedis rivets back then tended to be further from the edge, as in royal ace's pic. Even half-way between the bell and edge.
Lastly, cymbals intended for hats in the Trans stamp era were paper, paper thin, so that weight of 1110g means that that cymbal was most likely meant as a stand-alone or "band" cymbal, or part of an orchestral crash pair.
So, assuming it wasn't meant as a HH cymbal, when originally drilled the holes were either:
1.) Factory holes for rivets on a stand-alone cymbal.
2.) Non-factory holes for rivets on a stand-alone cymbal.
3.) Non-factory holes for rivets on a non-factory HH pair.
4.) Non-factory "air lock" vent holes on a non-factory HH pair.
Based on all of the cymbals I've ever come across, and the fact that they are tiny holes so close to the edge, I believe that #1 has the lowest chance of being true. But it's of course still possible, and I don't think we'll ever know for certain.
From inside the box,
Bill
ive studied quite a bit of the avedis zildjian series(ads and such) that show which cymbals certain drummers were using at the time. i was very surprised to see several playing 16" hi hats in the 50's.
mike
Bill,
As always, thanks for your perspective from "inside the box".Clapping Happy2
Ron
No, I meant HH. I`m not that old but still, I`m not refereing to celeb. I`m outside.
I`ll submit, factory order with small rivits because the 15 had six. or, Aftermarket.
I`m the guy with bad luck finding 14" A`s without them and find nothing but them.
The correct speculation is not certain.
So, I think they are, from Boston !i
Arrived today... the verdict is in!
1. They're gorgeous.. they play like a dream!
2. it's obvious from the wear on their inside edges they were used as hihats for a long time. Furthermore, I'm certain that the trans stamp was made to be a hi hat bottom.
2. It's reasonably certain the holes... of slightly differing size.... are neither factory drilled nor for rivets.
The rivets in the pics are factory from my 50s 18" A.
Ron
Now that they are in your hand,...I don`t wanna call them factory looking like that. But still have holes. That looks like owner and pop rivits you buy at the hardware store !i
The factory rivits much larger !i
Now that they are in your hand,...I don`t wanna call them factory looking like that. But still have holes. That looks like owner and pop rivits you buy at the hardware store !iThe factory rivits much larger !i
"It's better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt". - A. Lincoln
As I stated previously, they are factory rivets from a 50s 18" A Zildjian. But of course, you were referring to rivits!
Ron
You can pick on my spelling all day, I wont let ya down. But I will certainly admit if I`m wrong. Maybe that`s why honest Abe got his head blown off and I haven`t !i
The fool is the one that drilled to let the air out !i
