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MIJ Tension rod replacement

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[SIZE=3]Preface[/SIZE]

This post is not here to offend any members who quite rightly offer an exact replacement era-correct MIJ part(s) for a fee. These members will always have their rightful place helping dedicated owners get the exact part they require.

I have placed this post to support other members who are in a similar situation to me to consider this alternative.

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I see posts that are looking for replacement threaded tom/snare tension rods to suit metric diameter metric threaded lug inserts.

I have to point out here that this essay :D is only going to be suitable to those persons that are:

a) NOT UPSET by not having the exact part

b) are unable to source such parts easily and regularly in their native area

c) would prefer to have a workable gigging vintage MIJ as opposed to a museum piece to fuss over

d) don't want to worry about supply of replacements spares in the future

e) you are reasonably practical in that you can confidently disassemble a kit and rebuilt a kit.

I take NO responsibility for you not knowing what you are doing :)

[SIZE=3]Background:[/SIZE]

I have a Star 16" floor tom that due to being in New Zealand have found it impossible to reliably and economically source 3" replacement tension rods to suit.

This has meant that the whole kit has had to sit here waiting for the parts to surface locally through other forum members or online auctions.

This can be very time consuming and at times frustrating.

However on talking to a local drum repairer of more than 30 years about the issue he offered a solution which was so simple and minor I couldn't believe I had overlooked such a basic way of solving the problem.

[SIZE=3]So explain this problem [SIZE=3]already!!!![/SIZE][/SIZE]

MIJ Metric thread tension rods screw down into a MIJ Metric thread tension lug inserts aka "Swivel Nuts"

In my view, this will only be applicable to lugs that have spring tensioned tension inserts "Swivel Nuts"

If you don't follow what I am on about:

a) unscrew a lug off of a drum and look at the back.

b) Now take the tension rod and screw it down through the top as you would if the lug was attached to the drum and you were tightening the hoop over the drum head

c) You will see that the tension rod is screwing down into a matching threaded nut held in place by the spring.

[SIZE=3]So what is the solution?[/SIZE]

Permanently change out the tension rod and tension rod swivel nut to a matching off the shelf contemporary #12-24 threaded set supplied by many manufacturers such as Gibraltar, Cannon Percussion etc.

The change is minor visually and its very easy to source replacement parts in the future. You can complete individual repairs on a lug by lug basis.

Or you can do the "looking at the big picture" solution and replace the lot all at once.

[SIZE=3]Sourcing parts[/SIZE]

Here is a link to an online suppliers page for "Swivel nuts"

http://www.drumfactorydirect.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=6_297

Here is a link to an online suppliers page for "tension rods"

http://www.drumfactorydirect.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=6_59

[SIZE=3]Benefits[/SIZE]

So you can see that with an outlay of under $1 per swivel nut and sometimes under 50 cents per rod you can make a repair that you can continue to repair yourself as easily as reordering a replacement. If you cant manage to replace them all at once due to funds you can do one side now then say the other side later.

Let this approach work for you Mind Blowi

[SIZE=3]Alternatives[/SIZE]

Can you salvage these items from another more modern donor kit on the roadside or from a friend about to throw them out? cost = nothing?

A leather-man or small screwdriver set with a drum-key in your glove box is gold for figuring out whether a kit has the right lugs or not for transplanting at short notice.

[SIZE=3]Summing up[/SIZE]

So there it is.

An alternative that in my view is perhaps a better long term solution.

Its easy as pie if you are practical enough.

This needed to be posted somewhere for those persons that are stuck like I was.

Posted on 11 years ago
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Excellent suggestion! Please do keep in mind that not all internal threaded nut receivers fit properly into the recessed spaces in all lugs. Some are too loose and will spin, while others are too wide to fit into the space. Best to keep a lug on hand when finding the set of threaded receivers and "fit" them one by one to make certain they will work. This can make the process somewhat tedious but usually the pain is well worth it. The usual standard international sizes seen are 12-24", but many older Premier, Beverley, Olympic and other UK and AU receiver nuts were 7-32/24" slightly larger British threads in nut receivers which varied in shape. One more suggestion: Sometimes the counterhoops have eyelets too small for standard international tension rods to pass through! Sometimes not! Again it's always best to make certain and try to "plan ahead". Many drummers have an old parts stash or even entire drums they will gladly part with for less expense than the cost of ordering new inserts at full retail.

Posted on 11 years ago
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That's non-thing new most guy's know about this changing out the insert's on the lugs.

But then agian most guys who are restoring these 60's M.I.J. want the right T-rods with the right threads.

Because most of the time the guy will run into a problem's.

Like Buckie B pointed out the 12/24 insert's on some of these lugs will Not fit into the lug for two reason's the shape of the insert will not fit the lug it could be to big or to small.

The hole on the lug were the inert goes will be to small for the 12/24 insert to fit..

Agian i would say most guy's want the right T-rods and keep the set the way it was when new..

Just would also like to point out o have 1,000's and 1,000's of these small M.I.J. drums part insert's, T-rods, lugs.wing screws.T wing screws and the list goes on and on ete for sale ...Mikey

Posted on 11 years ago
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I've always found 12/24 UNC and the 7/32 to be close enough to work with both, as I make my own lugs using a 12/24 tap sometimes.

I've just picked up a MIJ Drum mate and will be getting some new inserts.

Quick question - what size are the bass rods? Are they M6?

Cheers,

Andrew

Posted on 11 years ago
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a lot of kids (toy) kits use metric parts... used "sets' go for as little as $15

gets you 8 or 12 lugs/claws/tension rods on "bass drums" and 4 lugs/8 tension rods on "toms", plus all their washers and inserts

sometimes even 16" bass drum hoops as well

Posted on 11 years ago
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OK....Star and Pearl made inserts are completely different thread sizes, as anyone who has handled both already knows. The Pearl inserts are also the same now as then. Try getting OEM replacements anywhere but from Mikey for Star and it's a big crap-shoot. Pearl, on the other hand, are readily available from many sources and manufacturers.

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Posted on 11 years ago
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Thanks for everyone stopping by to comment and share their knowledge. I especially liked the second hand children's kit option which I hadn't even considered. Nice work.

To recap, I wrote this post to have an alternative listed here as a resource when other avenues have failed to deliver.

By the way all of my inserts and replacement tension rods have come from a manufacturer somewhere out of Asia. The quality is high and the issue another member pointed out about incompatibility does not seem to have been a problem for me.

Posted on 11 years ago
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From davezedlee

a lot of kids (toy) kits use metric parts... used "sets' go for as little as $15gets you 8 or 12 lugs/claws/tension rods on "bass drums" and 4 lugs/8 tension rods on "toms", plus all their washers and insertssometimes even 16" bass drum hoops as well

Sorry about reviving this old thread, but I just wanted to thank Davezedlee for mentioning that kids kits use metric threads. Well I had a spare kids first act kick and can confirm that these use metric threads that fit the Stewart kit I am working on. Life is good!!

1964 Ludwig Champagne Super Classic
1970 Ludwig Blue Oyster Super Classic
1977 Rogers Big R Londoner 5 ebony
1972/1978 Rogers Powertone/Big R mix ebony
60's Ludwig Supersensitive
Pearl B4514 COB snare ( the SC snare)
Pearl Firecracker
PJL WMP maple snare
Odds & Sods

Sabians, Paistes, Zildjians, Zyns, UFIPs, MIJs etc
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Posted on 11 years ago
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glad it worked out... i've used the kids' kits for drumshell "practice finishing" work, as well as mini drum triggers (with mesh heads) for e-drums or silent double bass workout stations

the best bit is that tiny stool in the first photo; pretty handy for working low to the ground when sanding or painting

who'da thunk?

Posted on 11 years ago
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From davezedlee

glad it worked out... i've used the kids' kits for drumshell "practice finishing" work, as well as mini drum triggers (with mesh heads) for e-drums or silent double bass workout stationsthe best bit is that tiny stool in the first photo; pretty handy for working low to the ground when sanding or paintingwho'da thunk?

Another great idea! The throne from my daughters kit! Thanks again!Clapping Happy2

1964 Ludwig Champagne Super Classic
1970 Ludwig Blue Oyster Super Classic
1977 Rogers Big R Londoner 5 ebony
1972/1978 Rogers Powertone/Big R mix ebony
60's Ludwig Supersensitive
Pearl B4514 COB snare ( the SC snare)
Pearl Firecracker
PJL WMP maple snare
Odds & Sods

Sabians, Paistes, Zildjians, Zyns, UFIPs, MIJs etc
Item may be subject to change!
Posted on 11 years ago
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