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Questions about AJAHA Gretsch cymbals?

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I'm looking at maybe buying these cymbals but I have no idea how much $$ they're worth.

Photo and the following bolded lines taken from the seller's ad.

THESE ARE THE REAL DEAL!

* ORIGINAL X.E. AJAHA NOT The Later Ufip Reproductions.

These Were Distributed In America By The Fred Gretsch Company In The Early Part Of The PREVIOUS Century!

They're "VINTAGE" Old 14" Original AJAHA Gretsch K HI HAT Cymbals HH 1092/1134g

They have a small G stamped at the outside edge of each cymbal (underside). They also have a round blue (?) inkstamp which reads Made In Italy.

The seller wants $500 - I've contacted the seller and he is stuck at $500 and says they're well worth it and very rare.

Anyone here know what they're worth? $500 seems steep but maybe not hu.

Posted on 11 years ago
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These may be nice cymbals, but this seller's spiel is the epitome of hype. ("Original Gretsch K Hi Hat cymbals ? ? ". (Gretsch K ? ? ) "...from the early part of the Last Century ".. WOW ! !

The Ajahas I own tend to be heavy thick cymbals that sound a bit like anvils, & nowhere worth $500.

This ebay P T Barnum Specializes in Hyperbole, distorted history, & preposterous prices.

Posted on 11 years ago
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tdennis - thanks man!

Could you do me a favour - if you haven't already seen the complete ad - check this out and get back to me with any other advise you might have.

It's much appreciated.

Just found this on WickedPedia

"UFIP versions bear an ink-stamped reproduction of the Ajaha signature"

I'm wondering if the seller's cymbals fall into this catagory?

Thanks,

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/200841630882?ssPageName=STRK:MESINDXX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1436.l2649

Posted on 11 years ago
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I have read the ad, & it is dizzying, (likewise all his other items). I can almost smell the sawdust, & hear the barkers up the midway. ( I took note of about 6 or 7 points of pure hype, speculation & nonsense, all in large Blue letters ! ! ) Ajahas range in thickness from paper thin to heavy. You'd do better to seek out saner sellers of Ajahas on ebay , & over time find what you want at a much more reasonable price.

Posted on 11 years ago
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Thank you sir! You've saved me a lot of money.....that I don't have to waste on something that is not worth what is claimed to be.

I'm still scrambling to learn about vintage drums....let alone cymbals.

Again - thanks for your time and help here,

Gary

From tdennis

I have read the ad, & it is dizzying, (likewise all his other items). I can almost smell the sawdust, & hear the barkers up the midway. ( I took note of about 6 or 7 points of pure hype, speculation & nonsense, all in large Blue letters ! ! ) Ajahas range in thickness from paper thin to heavy. You'd do better to seek out saner sellers of Ajahas on ebay , & over time find what you want at a much more reasonable price.

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I especially like old cymbals, & have been picking them up for several decades. I use some w/ my present set. They are extremely interesting, & have a lot of historical cachet. .. But, w/ patience & knowledge , they can be found for peanuts, ( there is no need to go to the hype-mongers & exploiters on ebay).

Posted on 11 years ago
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I'm looking for some nice K hats and old K splashes. I will be looking at the yard sales more and more as I have only a few days before I retire. At least that is what I 'think' I will be doing. My wife might have some other plans haha.

Yes - I know what you mean about the older cymbals. I have a 18.5" K Zildjian - Old Stamp - sizzle cymbal that came with my late 50's Gretsch kit. I bought the kit and cymbals (hats are early 60's 14" A's) in Sept. of 2009. I have a new K and a whack of Istanbul Agops and I think the old K is my nicest cymbal........it's a toss up between my 16" Crash/Ride Istanbul Turk. The Turk was a mistaken order for the Canadian supplier.

He ordered CPT16 which are Crash Paper Thin Traditional series crashes, but the factory wrote it up as CRT16 which is a Crash Ride Turk 16, so they got three thin 16” turks instead of the normal heavier turk crashes. So - there are only 3 in existence...........I have one...and it is a fantastic cymbal - looks awesome too....that dark rough/raw Istanbul Turk look if you know the cymbals.

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Gary. I have been watching these for several months now ,and have watched numerous cymbals listed by this seller. I've watched them buy cymbals from ebay for around 100.00 and then after a power buffing( that seems to be the method) , the same cymbal shows up for 400.00 , with a huge glowing report , full of exemplary personal revues of the items capability.

I don't think there is any attempt to deceive, there is just this overbearing enthusiasm and a big price tag. Perhaps, in an ideal world these cymbals are actually worth the price but also, in an ideal world there will always be bargains.

For what it is worth, here is my 2 extinct cents worth on Ajaha and these cymbals in particular. I think Ajaha have always been Italian made; cymbal making isn't new to Italy and one or more of the group of cymbal artisans , that came to be known in the 30's as UFIP have handled the Ajaha portfolio over time . They were originally handsigned---maybe there was a Signore Ajaha and he died----I don't know. but there are such similarities between the early hand signed Ajahas and the later ink stamped ones , that I am pretty sure there is a continuity of integrity in their production. Being the owner of about 100 ride cymbals 20" and up , and quite a few Ajahas ; one of the top 5 of these is an ink stamped 20" Ajaha, clearly made by UFIP. They weren't shlubby cymbals by any means.

As for these ones in question. They are the real thing as suggested but they were produced on the cusp, when the cymbals were transitting from workshop handpoured to rotocast. These may be very early rotocast cymbals but they are certainly a sample of early examples of the transit of cymbal styles from heavy to lighter. Are they worth 500.00. No. I'm sure they are lovely hi-hats but very similar cymbals are around for 100.00- 150.00 /pr. ,usually without the signatures. The sig. cleans off really easily, so a lot of the unmarked UFIP style cymbals around ,originally carried an Ajaha signature.

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